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Post by thekrillmaster on Oct 10, 2016 21:29:34 GMT -6
prodigy1367 I'm feeling hopeful about Tamashii Nation 2016. Maybe we'll see something special with Gohan. Probably not, but who knows at this event?
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Post by ssGOD~ on Oct 10, 2016 22:06:54 GMT -6
Figure looks great. Do you guys think it will affect the prices of the sdcc gohan?
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Post by jonmichael on Oct 10, 2016 22:23:24 GMT -6
I don't think it will affect the cost of the SDCC Gohan. That has more going toward value than just the figure, itself. Convention exclusives always tend to hold their value better. It's still the only way to get a clean anime version of Gohan. Now, Manga Gohan...I can see that taking a big nosedive. Lol, makes me a little mad I didn't wait to buy him until now. Does this new Gohan look like he has a slightly larger head? It kinda looks like it might be a little wider than the previous Gohan. I wonder it it could be a nice choice for a "youthful" custom head.
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Post by ikkiphoenix on Oct 11, 2016 4:44:06 GMT -6
I don't think it will affect the cost of the SDCC Gohan. That has more going toward value than just the figure, itself. Convention exclusives always tend to hold their value better. It's still the only way to get a clean anime version of Gohan. Now, Manga Gohan...I can see that taking a big nosedive. Lol, makes me a little mad I didn't wait to buy him until now. Does this new Gohan look like he has a slightly larger head? It kinda looks like it might be a little wider than the previous Gohan. I wonder it it could be a nice choice for a "youthful" custom head. Regular release Gohan is $30 in most retailers, I highly doubt it'll go any lower. The new one will be $40+ so it'll be in a different pricing tier, so it wouldn't really influence RR Gohan's market value.
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Post by jonmichael on Oct 11, 2016 13:06:19 GMT -6
I don't think it will affect the cost of the SDCC Gohan. That has more going toward value than just the figure, itself. Convention exclusives always tend to hold their value better. It's still the only way to get a clean anime version of Gohan. Now, Manga Gohan...I can see that taking a big nosedive. Lol, makes me a little mad I didn't wait to buy him until now. Does this new Gohan look like he has a slightly larger head? It kinda looks like it might be a little wider than the previous Gohan. I wonder it it could be a nice choice for a "youthful" custom head. Regular release Gohan is $30 in most retailers, I highly doubt it'll go any lower. The new one will be $40+ so it'll be in a different pricing tier, so it wouldn't really influence RR Gohan's market value. I was thinking of the reseller market, not the retailer market. Of course, retailers won't put their Manga Gohans on deep clearance because of this. But, I could see people trying to get rid of Manga Gohan lowering prices. It probably won't go down as low as $20, and that's at the crazy very most. But, I wouldn't be surprised if we saw Manga Gohans on ebay and other places selling for as low as $24-25.
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Post by mattgoku on Jan 7, 2017 6:38:49 GMT -6
Here is the first review of the figure (prototype) !
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Post by Branjita on Jan 9, 2017 14:09:52 GMT -6
I shared these pics on the DBF Facebook today. The new Gohan looks fantastic. He really makes the old one look bad by comparison. It's disappointing (to me, and perhaps me only) to see that the new one is larger than the already too large older figure. He really does not scale well with any of the other figures, except perhaps Krillin and others who were made too large.
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Post by angelo2113 on Jan 9, 2017 14:32:06 GMT -6
I shared these pics on the DBF Facebook today. The new Gohan looks fantastic. He really makes the old one look bad by comparison. It's disappointing (to me, and perhaps me only) to see that the new one is larger than the already too large older figure. He really does not scale well with any of the other figures, except perhaps Krillin and others who were made too large. I disagree. I don't think his scale/height is really that drastic of a difference to fit in with other releases like Goku.
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Post by Branjita on Jan 9, 2017 16:27:45 GMT -6
angelo2113 He's generally just shorter than Krillin's height in the anime during this saga, so if you imagine Krillin as being the height in the above drawing (that I assume was done by Akira Toriyama weird...) then it's easier to imagine why that height is so strange (to me).
Here's one of the character height drawings used for the Broly movie, which would have been from a similar time period, though I don't remember if Gohan only turned SS in his final "day" of training, or if he did earlier on. It's possible he was up to a year older when he emerged to fight Cell. I don't remember/know... it's been too long since I've watched that. For what it's worth, he's just shorter than Krillin in this drawing, so that's consistent with my claim. In this, Gohan's eyes line up with the bottom of Goku's sash. In your pic, his eyes are significantly higher than the top of the sash, making him at minimum 4 inches taller in the pic you provided.
While not necessarily the best resource, I find it pretty reasonable. These are the sprites from the Super Famicon game Super Butoden 2, and Gohan is similarly about eye level with the bottom of Goku's sash.
A good, pretty reliable way to measure characters in DBZ is by how many heads tall they are. Every main character has about the same size head as each other except Master Roshi, Mr. Satan, and Vegeta's enormous forehead in some sagas. So here's an imaginary example, since I don't have time to monkey around with this right now (in other words, I'm not going to actually measure them)... If Gohan is 5.5 heads tall in artwork, and Goku is 8 heads tall, then that's how tall they should be in action figure form to match the artwork and be in scale with each other.
It's definitely ok for everybody to like Gohan at whatever size they like him, but I just wanted to back up my reasoning for why I think the figures are much too large. He was just an 11 year old kid, and most of the figures that exist have him looking like he's about 25 years old and just short. The SBC, Irwin, and Jakks ones are all awful like that. The Figuarts ones at least look moderately childish, unlike the Irwin and SBC ones in particular, but they are guilty of at least giving him a height of what would be more like a 13 or 14 year old Gohan. I think Gohan was 17 in the Great Saiyaman saga (or was he 16?), so I would guess a 13 or 14 year old Gohan would be about the height of the picture Angelo posted.
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Post by Majin Tomato on Jan 9, 2017 16:49:55 GMT -6
But Branjita , obvsly we're talking about "teen" Gohan, so he should be teen sized. Don't you know, that's just logic. ... Sorry, couldn't resist. Really though, while I do think it mostly personal preference (I just made a post not too long ago where I talked about how neither the anime or the manga is consistent like, ever), I do tend to agree about Gohan's height needing to be a bit smaller than what we typically see. Remember, Gohan at this point is 11... compare that to Goku, who is 12 at the start of Dragonball. There is plenty of artwork of Goku and Kid Goku together, and even with Branjita's estimate I'd say Gohan is a good half a foot taller than his father was despite Goku being a year older.
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Post by Wave on Jan 9, 2017 20:03:41 GMT -6
Maybe since Gohan is half human, his growth is more consistent than Goku who just had a giant growth spurt between the King Piccolo Saga and the 23rd Tournament.
In terms of the actual figure, I can see how there are issues with the scaling, but I think Tamashii isn't eager to make figures much smaller than that. It's well enough scaled for me anyway.
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Post by angelo2113 on Jan 10, 2017 0:18:48 GMT -6
It's good reasoning, Branjita. I understand how it could be strange to you through those specific sources. I just found this out recently but Gohan is meant to be 9 years old at the time of the Cell Games. (10 including the Hyperbolic Time Chamber year.)
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Post by Majin Tomato on Jan 10, 2017 8:56:17 GMT -6
Sort of... Gohan was barely 9 prior to going into the chamber, but was actually 11 by the time the Cell games took place. Gohan was born May 18th, age 757, and the cell games were announced May 17th age 767... which would have made him 10, except time chamber. Gohan had basically JUST turned 11 when he fought Cell. There's even a birthday episode in the anime where Goku reminisces about a tree baby Gohan blew a hole through (the first hints at Gohan's power)
Also, speaking of consistency, Goten and Trunks are 10 and 11 in Super. YAY height consistency.
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Post by Branjita on Jan 10, 2017 9:39:55 GMT -6
Majin Tomato lol that term for him never makes sense to me, and people constantly call him teen Gohan and some figures even label him as that I bet. The anime and manga are both inconsistent. I can't imagine Akira Toriyama redrawing a character (like in the above pic) that looks fantastic just because he accidentally made one of the characters too tall. It would be so wasteful, and he was always under tight deadlines. angelo2113 I was shocked to see that on the first episode (Saturday's episode) of DBZ Kai the Final Episodes, which I just watched this morning. They claimed that 7 years had passed since the Cell Games and Gohan was now 16. I was shocked, because that means that Kai (at least Kai, if not other things) consider Gohan's "technical" year in the hyperbolic time chamber as just 1 Earth day. I seem to recall them celebrating Gohan's birthday in the anime after the first day he and Goku spent in there, but that might have been filler. Anyway, that throws a weird curveball into everything I've always heard to be a fact; that time spent in the hyperbolic time chamber was considered time actually passing. Gohan being 9 in Earth terms when the Androids arrived, seemingly having a birthday that got missed, training for a year in the chamber, and now 11 if you consider the time spent in the chamber, is kind of weird. It's obvious that this was actual passage of time, because Gohan grew in height as did Future Trunks. Future Bulma even commented on how much taller Trunks was when he returned. So it's legit. But anyway, with that said, it was shocking to hear that (for whatever reason) the English episode of Kai announced Gohan was 16. Someone chronicled his age here: www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6648Wikia says he's 17 (16 in the manga) dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Great_Saiyaman_SagaIf we go by the timeline and his date of birth... dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Dragon_Ball_Timeline they leave off Gohan's birthdate for whatever reason, but it is May 18, 757 according to dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/GohanAnd Videl was born in 756 according to an undocumented reference on dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Videl or 757 according to the Super Perfect Guide. Making her a similar "actual" age to Gohan. Gohan and Goku entered the hyperbolic time chamber according to the timeline on May 16, 767 and Gohan would have been 9 years, 11 months, 28 days old. (The day portion may be slightly off, as I used an age calculator site and it wouldn't accept the years, so I had to make the dates 1757 and 1767... though let's be honest... Toriyama and whomever was helping him with continuity was not splitting hairs over days to the extent that one month might have 31 days, not 30). They exited the chamber the next day after 1 year had passed in the chamber, so Gohan would be 10 years, 11 months, 29 days old. They celebrate Gohan's 11th birthday the next day, which in Earth terms he would be 10 years old, but in aging terms, he would be 11 years old. So action figures of Gohan from the Cell Games dressed in Piccolo's clothes should be that of an 11 year old kid. Cell is defeated by Gohan on May 26, 767, so 8 days after his 11th birthday. March 28, 774, the timeline says he finished his first year at Orange Star High School, which must have been something not shown to us. April 7, 774, the timeline says he started his second year there and met Videl. He would have been 16 years, 10 months, 20 days old on his first day meeting Videl, but because he spent a year in the chamber, he was actually 17 years, 10 months, 20 days old. Very interesting. So Gohan was indeed 11 years old when he defeated Cell, and a little over 1 month shy of 18 years old when Great Saiyaman Saga takes place. Andddddd... after writing all that and doing all that research and age calculation, I see Majin Tomato already basically said what I just said
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Post by Majin Tomato on Jan 10, 2017 10:17:31 GMT -6
To be fair about the Great Saiyaman saga stuff, I've been re-reading the Great Saiyaman/Buu saga of the manga (partly to see if I can nail down a proper height for Dende, but mostly because I do nothing for hours at a time while I'm at work and this gives me something to read) and I think Kai's inconsistency is easily handwaved as either a translation issue or a misunderstanding. We don't know exactly how birth certificates and stuff work in the Dragonball universe, but if Gohan's age is listed based on his birthday, he'd have to go to school at his non-chamber age... aka 16.
Also, there are indications in the Manga (Dunno about the anime) that the first time we see Gohan transform into the "Golden Warrior" to stop crimes is by no means the first time he has done so, as he's apparently a fairly well known hero in Satan City. It's actually a weird plot hole as the manga presents it, as it's supposedly his first day at Orange Star High School, but if he'd been going to another school in the same city for his previous year, a school without a uniform (which is how Gohan is recognized and why he decides to go to bulma for a costume) it would explain a few things.
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