juanpe
Rank: Demon Clansman
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Species: Namekian
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Post by juanpe on Jun 14, 2014 14:31:16 GMT -6
I think that we are creating a very personal discussion.
The money and the price is relative and personal for each person.
In October 2013, I paid 950$ with shipping, for the items: Appule & Cui.
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Post by Branjita on Jun 14, 2014 14:35:27 GMT -6
Prince Zarbon, it sounds to me like you should learn to paint lol. I can't afford to pay people to do what I want (and still have what I want) so I do it myself. All good paint work takes is time and very inexpensive materials. You could paint Kuwi yourself for an investment in about $20 or less in painting supplies and a time investment of between ten and twenty hours.
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Post by princezarbon on Jun 14, 2014 14:37:00 GMT -6
For me 250$ for a ultra rare Kit of B CLUB of 1993 is a super price and I could have paid more.. maybe 400$ for Appule and 400$ for Cui, because for me, the value of this two pieces and the value for my collection is very very high and in my collection, this appule and cui are essential and vital. It's just a personal opinion. Yes, but you are not a strict character collector. You collect pieces that are in relation to a saga, correct? I strictly only want Zarbon, Dodoria, and Cui, so it becomes more difficult due to the rarity of these pieces. $250 for Cui to me is too high, and he's my 3rd favorite character in the history of all animation and everything in the universe of anime/manga in and of itself. I remember you telling me that Frieza is your favorite if I'm not mistaken. Would you be willing to pay thousands for a single piece to complete a Frieza-oriented collection? I can't even purchase the unfinished kits as they are on Japanese auctions. I can only do ebay now as my Japan resource is no longer available to do the transactions for me. This is why it would be easier for me to find them completed as the price range isn't too much different. Juanpe, if you can find me a Cui finished for cheap, lemme know!
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juanpe
Rank: Demon Clansman
Posts: 151
Species: Namekian
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Post by juanpe on Jun 14, 2014 14:56:15 GMT -6
I remember you telling me that Frieza is your favorite if I'm not mistaken. Would you be willing to pay thousands for a single piece to complete a Frieza-oriented collection? Yes, of course! For example: * For this Special Edition, I paid: $1200 * For this Prototype of 1993, I paid: $900
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juanpe
Rank: Demon Clansman
Posts: 151
Species: Namekian
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Post by juanpe on Jun 14, 2014 15:16:23 GMT -6
Nowadays, the price of the market in figures , statues or kits of a lot of years ago are very high & they are very expensive and unfortunately this is a reality. For example, for a Limited Edition and poorly painted: page16.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/u55944964
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Post by princezarbon on Jun 14, 2014 16:20:35 GMT -6
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Post by king on Jun 14, 2014 17:43:08 GMT -6
I wouldn't build a Kuwi garage kit and paint it for only $200 either unless that was $200 just for painting the supplied garage kit that was already built. And considering how amazing the paint job is on the one juanpe owns... I'd say he got a good deal. The amount I'd charge for going through the process of building the kit from start to finish and painting it to the same level of amazing detail as the one juanpe owns would be about $400 including the amount spent on the garage kit assuming it could be found for $100. that was pretty much my entire argument, thank you lol Before juanpe picked up the Cui and Appule, I was deliberating purchasing it, but $200 each was a bit high so I let them go. If he ever decides to get rid of the Cui and Zarbon, I would be willing to buy them, but my opinion remains that $200 is just way too high; I'm in congruence with Branjita's statement with income; I too can't afford to spend that much all at once. I was able to piece together all other items in my collection for less than that price [most items cost me anywhere from $20 to $150. It seems way to high for me to pay more than that for just one item no matter how much work went into it. I still believe I am more a hardcore fan of those three specific characters in anime history so time will tell how much I spend because I almost have a full collection of what is available. Additional note: I was able to find the Cui kit on numerous other japan auctions for around $50 to $60 unfinished, but I don't want it like that. I only want it in completed format. you need to start using Yahoo auctions or other japanese import sights and learn to paint. also, we get that your obsessed with the three characters, no need to repeat yourself lol I can't even purchase the unfinished kits as they are on Japanese auctions. I can only do ebay now as my Japan resource is no longer available to do the transactions for me. This is why it would be easier for me to find them completed as the price range isn't too much different. Juanpe, if you can find me a Cui finished for cheap, lemme know! you CAN use the japanese rescources, if you need help buying from most Japanese sights send me a PM and i will give you some websites and such that will allow you to buy from them. also, the Completed price range would normally be much different if (like me and branjita keep saying) the artist values their work and wont sell for less
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Post by Branjita on Jun 14, 2014 18:01:48 GMT -6
Yikes, guys... please don't quote as much. This topic is so repetitive right now. Tag each other if you must or trim quotes down (like juanpe did), but let's stop quoting multiple, huge paragraphs. I was going to mention this earlier, but I didn't expect it to continue over and over. It's very tiresome to look through.
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Post by king on Jun 14, 2014 18:12:58 GMT -6
Yikes, guys... please don't quote as much. This topic is so repetitive right now. Tag each other if you must or trim quotes down (like juanpe did), but let's stop quoting multiple, huge paragraphs. I was going to mention this earlier, but I didn't expect it to continue over and over. It's very tiresome to look through. probably much worse on phone
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Post by Branjita on Jun 14, 2014 18:55:14 GMT -6
Yikes, guys... please don't quote as much. This topic is so repetitive right now. Tag each other if you must or trim quotes down (like juanpe did), but let's stop quoting multiple, huge paragraphs. I was going to mention this earlier, but I didn't expect it to continue over and over. It's very tiresome to look through. probably much worse on phone Going to kill you lol
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Post by king on Jun 14, 2014 21:14:29 GMT -6
believe it or not that one was out of habbit rather than to troll lol
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Post by princezarbon on Jun 14, 2014 23:54:55 GMT -6
I know I've said it a few thousand times over, but I do indeed love those three characters the most of all. I need them in every shape and form. Attachment Deleted Attachment Deleted Attachment DeletedThey are the lords of anime to me. All help would be highly appreciated in acquiring them.
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Post by king on Jun 15, 2014 8:57:09 GMT -6
what is it that you like about the 3 characters? I dont see much in them, Zarbons design is kinda cool (looks like a green indian) and has a sorta unique personality but beyond that hes nothing special personally, and the other two even less so. so i want to know why you like them
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Post by Branjita on Jun 15, 2014 10:05:03 GMT -6
I like Zarbon because he was such a bad ass in the Ocean dub on cartoon network. He appealed to me for the same/similar reason Gambit in the 90s X-Men cartoon did.
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Post by princezarbon on Jun 15, 2014 12:16:31 GMT -6
so i want to know why you like them This can be expanded upon. But for a clear vision, I would need to delve into it much deeper. First off, I would have to clarify that I am strictly a villain fan. So that automatically disqualifies all heroes, protagonists, and especially anti-heroes. Also, I am strictly a supporting/secondary character fan, which disqualifies all the primary antagonists. The third rule is to apply all henchmen into the competition itself, as they make up the most intricate designs and color palettes as well as the emphasis on their mannerism being virtually different in a unique way. The fourth and final rule to apply is that I only like characters who get killed. That's it. I do not like characters at all who survive in the end of a story. This is why true villains perfectly fit into the conundrum as they all die brutally and make me love them for it. Vegeta tends to make for the best execution scenes in the series and this adds to my greater love for them. My favorite characters consist entirely of villains and victims. Now that you understand this, you need to perceive the definition of a true villain. It is based on someone who is not "all powerful only" but also very sinister, evil, vicious, cruel, brutal, sadistic, etc. all in one package. This can be said of a few villains throughout the series run. But not all of them have a solid connective plot point story and are used as plot device characters. So basically, not only do they have to be evil, they have to have a very, very, very good story. And now for these three specific characters and the actual role that they play, which is the main reason of love for them: 1. Zarbon - Ultimately, is my absolute favorite character of all time from Dragonball Z, and from everything else in the universe for that matter. My most favorite character in the entire series due to being elegant, handsome, militaristic, ruthless, brutal, having serious mannerism, dying loyally, and having an exquisite reptilian design. These qualities all play a contributing factor; The role he portrays and his development are my favorite, that of Frieza's elite Commander-General and close henchman and adviser. The fact that he suggests to eradicate the Saiyan race is a brilliant idea and adds to my love for him. My great love stems from the brutal villainy and brutally grotesque demise... the great portrayal of emotions such as fear and cowardice when on bottom but brutal and extremely wicked when on top. The character of Zarbon is the pure definition of the beauty and the beast, he is the personification of the brutish demonic monster within and the ever-elegant warrior, mysterious and deadly... due to his brutal characteristic being entombed along with his magnificent stature. He's an emotional villain with double persona and greatly layered with dastardly deeds that come back to extinguish his flame. Zarbon's beat-down of Vegeta is my favorite scene in the series, especially the repeated headbutt combination he unleashes, relentlessly annihilating Vegeta's face. The overall battle is the best to me because it doesn't allow the protagonist a chance to even fight back; it's the evil character beating on the good one the whole time straight up. Also, I prefer Zarbon's transformation by a long margin to the other transformations in the series. For one, he doesn't charge up for an long amount of time and he doesn't have a minor alteration either. I like both his forms because they make him who he is, sadistic and brutal whilst handsome and mysterious. Elegant yet deadly... he's the beauty who hides a dormant beast. He has the most vivid execution scene, extremely gruesome and satisfying... and the method of execution was displayed brilliantly. Due to my love of aliens and demonic characters, Zarbon's reptilian ancestry and dynamic blue-skin adds furthermore to his sustained personality. Not only designed beautifully and having an appealing appearance, he also perishes in a powerful manner and very brutally. I prefer characters who die in a memorable way as opposed to those who live throughout the entire series. Those who captivate the screen in a shorter amount of time do a better job for me than those who last forever, because through a suspenseful demise... they live forever, surpassing the mortal coil of the norm. Still, he's my favorite character due to affiliation, design, actual villainy, and intricate detail. Attachment Deleted2. Dodoria - This is definitely my second most favorite character due to affiliation and role. Dodoria is a major character in the Namek saga due to his murder of the Nameks, chasing Gohan and Krillin... his confrontation with Vegeta... and the fact that he plays a huge role in the Bardock movie. The very fact that he easily flicked Bardock away with a single mouth blast adds to his already remarkable character. And the way he treats the situation, as if it's just a daily job, makes it all the more wonderful. I love Dodoria for his ferocity when he butchers the Namek elderly and children... and when he threatens to murder Dende. I love the way he's drawn when portraying ferocious anger and clenching his fists in a fiery rage when he finds that Muuri destroyed his scouters on purpose... and his nails sink into his skin and his own hand bleeds from his rage. The very fact that he's also an elite Commander-General and one of Frieza's top two henchmen in an army of millions means that he'd merit a great deal of loyalty for the emperor. His fear and cowardice is also well-portrayed when he reveals the secret of the destruction of planet Vegeta, and succumbs to his fate shortly afterward. Also, I love the fact that he met a grisly demise. My favorite characters... as I discussed earlier, must die in a very climactic manner, play the role of a supporting villain, and remain evil until their final breath is drawn. Attachment Deleted
3. Cui - As all other underlings of Lord Frieza, Cui is high up there in the ranks. Likely third strongest of those directly aligned with Frieza's empire, Cui is a powerful warrior who has a rivalry with Vegeta. This builds to a strong climax in the Namek saga, where Cui finally attempts to thwart Vegeta's plan once and for all. However, he waited for a long time to receive these orders from Frieza. Cui's failure to understand Vegeta's increase in might ends up being his undoing as he learns the hard way how Vegeta had truly become stronger. I love Cui; what a magnificent design and mannerism. And he's onscreen for a shorter duration of time, yet built greatly as a villain character. Of course, those aligned with Frieza are automatically my favorites, and Cui is no exception. His frantic display of emotions... his immediate fear and eventual cowardice when the tables are turned make him an exceptional character and a perfect plot device. I love how he told Vegeta that Frieza was already on Namek, which triggered the chain of events, leading to Vegeta's travel to Namek and their overall clash on Namek. Attachment Deleted
Basically, the primary thing is that they are the most important plot device characters and it is this facet that makes me love them most of all. To do more in a shorter span of time is greater than to appear all the time and do very little onscreen. This is my philosophy: "Less is more."
Now, for others in specific order:
4. Jeice - Yes, Jeice is my favorite Ginyu Tokusentai member. He's also my 4th most favorite character in the series run. Jeice's death scene was obviously my favorite of the Ginyu Force... and the role he played was slightly memorable. Of course, I loved his overall dislike towards Vegeta and the very essence of his characteristic was greatly appealing. His actions are extremely swift and his combination attacks with Burter are brilliant tactical maneuvers. His crusher ball technique is also well-made and devastating. The scene where it's deflected is very climactic. His execution scene is far too memorable, when Vegeta kicks him in the face, chops at his gut, making him choke and spit, and holds out his hand in front of Jeice's face, obliterating him in midair. That was greatly climactic and satisfying, increasing my love for Jeice.
5. Burter - Burter makes for the perfect combination partner alongside Jeice. As both bring forth a balance of skill and have a tactical advantage against opponents, Burter is the speed-induced powerhouse who was the fastest being in the universe for quite some time. As a member of the Ginyu Tokusentai, Burter is renowned for his ferocity in rendering his opponents helpless against a flurry of swift maneuvers. He first showcases this skill against Vegeta, Gohan, and Krillin by retrieving a Dragon Ball from the sky before they even have a chance to turn their heads, leaving them baffled at his extreme speed. Whilst Goku still surpasses him and notes that he is not only faster but also stronger, his take-down is a magnificent bone-cracking sequence that renders him immobilized and helpless. Vegeta, who is the definition of the unforgiving and relentless character, swiftly and ruthlessly stomps on and cracks Burter's neck, ending his life in brilliantly memorable fashion, with Burter's tongue still sticking out.
6. Recoome - Definitely the most relentless and savage of the Ginyu squadron, Recoome portrays his brutal tactics as a warrior by pummeling Vegeta, Gohan, and Krillin to within an inch of their lives and leaving them for dead before Goku arrives and takes him down. Recoome easily has the second-best fight sequence (in my opinion)... second only to that of Zarbon's battle with Vegeta. Recoome's ruthless pile-driver that pins Vegeta into the ground and his combination of bone-breaking maneuvers are what makes him awesome: the "Recoome Kick," "Recoome Elbow," "Recoome Eraser Gun" and his magnificent-sounding "Recoome Bomber" (which is even better as "Recoome Boomba!" in Japanese version) is my favorite blast attack in the series. Of course, Recoome does unleash this attack against Gohan, who barely manages to evade the madman's chaotic onslaught... Only to be pummeled into the ground and have his neck broken by a swift kick via Recoome's awesome muscular feet. For a fighter as brilliant as Recoome, it was rather surprising to see him have a lesser exit. As he easily immobilized Krillin, left Gohan for dead, and savagely brutalized the already rejuvenated Vegeta... He is taken down by a single strike to his gut from the 100-times-gravity trained Goku. It was only inevitable that Vegeta would end his life (with a blast while he's already downed) as he took the opportunity to do the same to pretty much most of my favorite characters. But this is fine... as Recoome is added to the greatness of those who are used as plot devices to build Vegeta's pre-existing awesome story-line.
7. Guldo - This little elite mercenary is quite awesome for having such a vivid hatred of Vegeta, which is quite understandable. As a vicious yet small warrior, he proves that big things come in little packages... Especially when that package tries to skewer Gohan and Krillin with mind tricks and body binds. Guldo uses every one of his telekinetic holds to weaken his opponents and uses these attacks to his advantage in order to incapacitate anyone who stands in his way. He is rather successful at maintaining a hold on Gohan and Krillin... As well as torturing them for a short period of time (which is rather enjoyable)... But Vegeta uses Guldo's carelessness to consider him a liability as an opportunity to strike at Guldo. Of course, he manages to hack off Guldo's head, decapitating him. This moment of impact is even better in the manga version when compared to the Anime version, although both are quite awesome. Guldo's head rolls on the ground, both cursing at Vegeta and begging for his life with an awesome showcasing of fear as Vegeta pronounces that it is those who are strong who survive and the weak who perish, greatly adding to the already brilliant ending for Guldo. Vegeta proceeds to firmly obliterate what remained of Guldo's head. What an awesome character to accomplish so much as a plot device in such a short period of time.
8. Android 19 - Android 19 would be my favorite in the Android saga. He's also my favorite android character. 19 was a greatly successful creation as he was an energy absorbing model. He also aided Dr. Gero to alter himself, making Android 20 a reality. On the matter of 19, I felt his fight was the best thing about the entire Cell saga as most of the rest of that saga just plain bored me... I absolutely hated 17 and 18... found them to be an utter useless waste of time (and they looked boring as heck)... as well as the fact that I absolutely detested their role of malfunctioning traitors (likely my least favorite characters in the entire series run). 19's fight completely filled me with joy (especially seeing that rotten Goku getting pounded when inflicted with the virus... and 19 enjoying the deadly tight grip as he tried to suck the life out of him... the sheer brutality and pleasure made for a great fight scene; The fear factor and the emotional depth behind Vegeta's standing up for Goku and portraying his might makes 19 a knockout awesome character as a device. Especially when Vegeta showed up and handed 19's own behind to him by shredding off his arms and decapitating him. That was Just. Plain. Awesome.
9. Pui Pui - Pui Pui is by far my favorite of the entire Buu debacle due to his exquisite fighting maneuvers and capabilities. He first appears when Spopovich and Yamu return with the collected energy to revive Buu. He does quite well when told to eliminate Yamu, who attempts to escape, but is easily popped in midair by Pui Pui's nice shot. What an awesome stance Pui Pui has when blasting... And what an awesome stance he has when facing his opponents. Pui Pui was the strongest being in his quadrant of the universe, as stated by Supreme Kai... And he had lived under 10 times the gravity when compared to that of Earth's... But it was still not enough against Saiyan prince, Vegeta... Who had trained under 500 times the gravity of Earth. This comes as a surprise to the unfortunate yet awesome plot device that is Pui Pui. When attacking Vegeta in stage one of Babidi's spaceship, Pui Pui is taken down by the ruthless Saiyan prince (pretty much just like all the rest of my most favorite characters are). Pui Pui's death sequence is very well made as well, slowing down just to show his reaction as Vegeta closes in for the kill, blasting him to oblivion after placing his hands on his chest. This is very understandable as a sped-up reaction since any warrior that is caught by surprise would halt in the moment of their excruciating death. This only adds to the already-established awesomeness that is Pui Pui's character.
10. King Cold - Ah, the lord of the planet trade organization and lord of the universe itself... in a businessman's perspective, at least. I love Lord Cold for being such a calculated emperor and ruthless pillager of civilizations for such a long period of time. As he leads countless millions of soldiers and builds an empire of ruthless space pirates, trading planets for a living, he stabilizes his hold on the North quadrant of the universe as one of the most tyrannous rulers in all existence; being all the more awesome for me. King Cold is extremely elegant and majestic in his mannerism and behavior. With the twitch of every nerve and the movement of every limb, he places great expression and brilliant detail in his exquisite stature. His flowing cape and majestic armor... His wonderful throne and his beautiful spaceship... His glass of wine! Everything about him is a definition of awesomeness. Even with his brief episodic appearance, he accomplishes more than numerous other primary players. Of course, he is left in surprise when his equally vicious son, Frieza, is halved by Saiyan future fighter Trunks... And meets his end when learning that the sword does not make the man. Trunks doesn't give Cold a chance to fully beg as he blasts him to oblivion after sending him to a mountain with a gaping hole in his side. Although his wonderful empire crumbles before him, the greatness of King Cold lives on.
This should be enough; sorry for the enormous rant, but if I continued, my list would go to a top 100, all of which include the most ruthless and sinister villains who capture the screen in a shorter amount of time. As a specific note, my least favorite characters are Android 17 and Cell as they are a polar opposite in terms of being antagonists. More can be said about that if you are interested, but it is all due to their weaker usage as characters overall.
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