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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2013 8:15:11 GMT -6
That really is not the point at all....... both Recoome and Burter are supposed to be enormous, and i dont think you should concern yourself with a SHF release that may or may not happen in years from now. And no, im not saying goku is smaller then jeice. none of the characters size is consistent, especially in group shots like this. but the matter of fact is that ginyu is a big character, significantly taller than goku. I'm not making a big deal, i want to make my point same as you want to defend yours by keep replaying to facts. Agh....... why do i even bother anyway with you guys, ok ok you are right. im wrong. This from the anime btw, not fanart.
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Post by Gonstead on Sept 10, 2013 8:18:24 GMT -6
For reference, Vegeta is around the same height as Jeice. I personally see Ginyu being a head taller than Goku, nothing more. Here's from the Manga (Please mind the crappy scan in the second image)
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Post by Adrenaline on Sept 10, 2013 8:39:23 GMT -6
Panzer, my image was a fanart copy of an anime image (edit: and manga) and yours has Ginyu standing in front of everyone, so of course he appears bigger.
Do me a favor, get a pic of SHF Cell next the HQDX Ginyu. Then you'll see my point.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2013 9:08:37 GMT -6
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Post by Adrenaline on Sept 10, 2013 9:12:48 GMT -6
...and these random images prove? I want to see SHF Cell next to HQDX Ginyu and for you to tell me that they're in scale with each other.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2013 9:26:01 GMT -6
Scale is inconsistent, especially in group shots. Ginyu is a big character, much bigger than Jeice and Goku. Cell isn't that much taller than goku anyway. SHF Cell was made too short by a bit. I dont plan to own a SHF cell, only early sagas characters. HQDX Ginyu is to scale. should look good next to the nappa as well. Idont know where to find you that image. Thats all i have to say, i put the comparison shot and the Anime print screens, now let people who view this decide for themself about the figure. thanks.
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Post by Adrenaline on Sept 10, 2013 9:44:30 GMT -6
Lol ok and yet, no one else (out of the 4 others that have seen this) has said that Ginyu is appropriate to scale, but you.
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Post by Branjita on Sept 10, 2013 10:38:31 GMT -6
Jeice is taller than Vegeta, but not by much, he's approximately Future Trunks' size (when Future Trunks arrives; not his height after the time chamber though, as he grows to be about 1 inch shorter than Goku). Ginyu is inconsistent, but could appropriately be said to be taller than Piccolo during that saga I think. I would probably say he's 2 inches taller than Piccolo during that saga, so if you consider Piccolo to be perhaps 6'9" (said to be 6'6" at the end of DB (he was no taller at the start of DBZ), and 7'something" at the end of DBZ), I'd say Ginyu is 6'11". Goku being 5'8" during this time period (5'7" at the end of DB (he was no taller at the start of DBZ), 5'9" at the end of DBZ). The body of that Ginyu figure is about right, but what is throwing it completely off is the size of the head, which looks appropriate on him for much of the Namek Saga on that body size, but that's not completely to scale with Figuarts figures. I prefer the art style and interpretation of Ginyu, Burter, (Jeice to some extent), and Recoome being really wide with enormous shoulder/neck muscles over the dorky style where they (at least Burter) had big feet and heads. The HQ DX Ginyu is more like that dorky interpretation in proportions just because his head is large, or to be honest, at about human proportions to his body. If you look at the cool screenshots M5 added, they are all this style that I like, however, this style was not used in most of the episodes (or at least ones with Burter in them, because I was looking for reference material for that custom over a year ago). In M5's pics you'll notice that Ginyu's lower face is no wider than Goku's face, and that's what is most important to me when I am customizing--that heads are close to the right size. Here's my quick correction w/o being extremely picky/correct. This is the "cool" style of proportions for him like all of M5's pics, not the "dorky" style of proportions (or I would have made his body much, much, much smaller and left the head a slight amount larger). I also did one for Frieza and his buddies. It's worth noting that Frieza is placed in front of Zarbon and Dodoria in the pic (look at the placement of the base), so he looks larger than he really is. He's almost to scale with Zarbon from what I remember, maybe only 1 or 2% too large...? He's a hell of a lot bigger than the HSCF one though, but HQ DX Zarbon is also bigger scale than most of the Figuarts figures too. The Frieza would probably only look good with Figuarts Vegeta/SS Vegeta, SS Goku, and SS Gohan. He'd look almost Cooler size next to Trunks or the other smaller scale Figuarts figures. @randomreviewsforyou owns him (if that tag doesn't work, he's Random Z) This is good reference for Jeice even though some of you might complain that the scene was filler (shouldn't matter though, at least to me, because I consider all of the original cartoon to be reference material as it was all created at the same time. In other words, I don't consider something made in 2011 to neccesarily be good reference material because DBZ ended in '96. I also sure as heck don't consider any of the freakin' Budokai video games to be scale reference material either, so I'm glad nobody has brought that up!) As you can hopefully imagine, if Future Trunks was standing in this scene, he and Jeice would be basically the same height. If Vegeta was standing here, and it was Namek Saga, the top of his receding hairline would be around Jeice's nose probably. I love artwork where the Ginyu Force are huge. This dorky style I refer to above, is the style I don't like, but it's very common, particularly for Burter/Jeice scenes. The characters are much smaller than in the other art style. Here's practically the same scene with the better artist(s). Check out how much the size of the dragonball Burter is holding changes! Ginyu is no bigger than Piccolo here, if even that large. He's more like Tien-size here.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2013 10:54:28 GMT -6
Thanks bran, He is appropriate size to the fight scenes with goku and vegeta, might be a little too big to be consistent with the Ginyu other scenes. But until Bandai will release an SHF Ginyu this figure of him is the best one to go by, and he about as big as he seen in the anime. If you can accept the huge over-scale HQDX Zarbon and the incredibly under scale HQDX Dodoria i dont understand why not HQDX Ginyu since he a big character after all. any figure line would not be 100% perfect match to the anime, and this a good enough option to consider IMO.
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Post by Branjita on Sept 10, 2013 10:59:38 GMT -6
Here's both of those pics next to each other so you can see how wildly different Ginyu and Jeice are in size in the different artwork. Jeice's top of his head goes from being something Burter could rest his nut sack on top of to being at Burter's mid-stomach.
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Post by Adrenaline on Sept 10, 2013 11:09:00 GMT -6
@panzer: And there's your problem. You're accepting one figure that you say is slightly small and another that is slightly big....now put those two together and they'll look jacked up. It doesn't really matter how tall Ginyu is, or how wide he is, or what reference scenes you are referring to, the HQDX Ginyu is too darn big for the SHF line...and that's comparing him with one of their taller figures! ie SSGoku. Though whatever your opinion is, that is fine. However, if you want your collection to look right. I recommend waiting on another Ginyu. Also, Bran, if you put Ginyu in here between Recoome and Jeice, whether he's right at Recoome's chin or Recoome's pecks and then put SSGoku also in here, whose hair would reach the pinnacle of Tien and the difference between Ginyu and SSGoku is not that much....definitely not as much as those images of HQDX Ginyu and Figuarts SSGoku next to each other are implying. I'd love for someone to translate a pic of Recoome and Burter behind that HQDX Ginyu and try to compare the Goku then.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2013 11:20:26 GMT -6
I was referring to other members here have accepted the HQDX Dodoria(way way off scale)and the HQDX Zarbon as being acceptable. Goku head reach ginyu tits like in their fight, the HQDX ginyu is good enough. case closed. And again scale is completely inconsistent.
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Post by Adrenaline on Sept 10, 2013 11:23:24 GMT -6
Problem. You're comparing normal Goku in the Namek Saga with his hair down to the height of SSGoku in the Cell Saga, who is easily taller, not just by the fact he has grown a little, but because he is also SS. Yet, even with that additional height, he looks tiny next to HQDX Ginyu. Just imagine what a normal Goku from the Namek Saga should look like next to him... You can't compare those two Gokus at all because if the SS doesn't look good next to him, then the normal one (that you keep referring to) would look even worse. Case closed? lol You are in denial!
Note: Saying scale is inconsistent is only a way out from admitting the truth. The figures themselves are consistent, so if there isn't a balance between them, they won't look good next to each other and this is the perfect example.
As for HQDX Dodo, he is closer to scale with SHF than HQDX Ginyu. Put an SHF Frieza next to them and you'll see why.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2013 11:43:27 GMT -6
Oh god..... just let it go. watch the ginyu saga again and see how huge Ginyu, Burter and Recoome are on namek when they fight goku. Ok ok!! i'm so sorry for thinking it was a good option for SHF you are definitely right.
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Post by Adrenaline on Sept 10, 2013 11:52:42 GMT -6
Psh I have seen those episodes at least 20x over and I know they're big. You're talking to someone who added height to Irwin's Burter...but you sir, think Ginyu is the jolly purple giant lol and he isn't THAT big. If that HQDX Ginyu was Burter, I'd say you're right then. Note: I'm just trying to save the SHF collectors some money.
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