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Post by drowningrabbit on Oct 12, 2015 15:22:29 GMT -6
We're getting Ultimate Gohan, SSGSS Goku, Golden Frieza and Awakening Goku all within the next 2-3 months, I don't know what more you expect. A few months ago we were lucky to be getting one figure every 3 months! But if you mean you're frustrated that the repaints are taking up new slots, then I guess I understand. that part does upset me and granted it might be a significant quantity increase but just re-releasing figures feels cheep to me. i would prefer to have one every couple months then a ton of re-releases. im referring to ssj3 goku, cell, vegeta, trunks. I mean, technically if you're not buying the re-releases that are coming out like once a month at this point, and a new figure every 3 months or so, how is this really different? It's like you're more upset that we're getting more releases instead of less, but the extra releases are re-issues of older figures that you have. that part does upset me and granted it might be a significant quantity increase but just re-releasing figures feels cheep to me. i would prefer to have one every couple months then a ton of re-releases. im referring to ssj3 goku, cell, vegeta, trunks. one thing a lot of people seem to forget...not everyone has been following this line since the beginning. Recolors and reissues are essential for new collectors or for people looking to fill holes in their collections. For those who already have the figure recolors may seem cheap but it doesn't mean they shouldn't come out, or even that you need to get them. If you really think about it they are still putting out new releases at the same usual rate, they just have reissues/recolors squeezed in between them. I'm totally down for people getting the figures cheaper, but I for one have to say, I would like it to be more of a "New figure every few months, and re-issues or repaints filling in" as it will save me a ton of space/money. Currently the Figuarts Zero EX line is like 1 statue every 6 months just about, but then again, it's a more expensive product. If they ramped up production on it I wouldn't be able to keep up and would be really upset.
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Post by prayerzero on Oct 12, 2015 16:08:57 GMT -6
that part does upset me and granted it might be a significant quantity increase but just re-releasing figures feels cheep to me. i would prefer to have one every couple months then a ton of re-releases. im referring to ssj3 goku, cell, vegeta, trunks. one thing a lot of people seem to forget...not everyone has been following this line since the beginning. Recolors and reissues are essential for new collectors or for people looking to fill holes in their collections. For those who already have the figure recolors may seem cheap but it doesn't mean they shouldn't come out, or even that you need to get them. If you really think about it they are still putting out new releases at the same usual rate, they just have reissues/recolors squeezed in between them. i suppose that is one way to look at it. I guess i just feel slightly cheated, perhaps because of my fear of loosing value in my figures, not really the reason i started collecting but i like looking at them and knowing if i have a financial crisis i can sell them off but knowing these reissues could hurt that it slightly bothers me in possible price drops. i see what your saying in people being unable to afford them since i didnt start collecting until last year. but i guess i find that to be part of the fun is seeking out that rare older figure. But it does still irk me that time is spent on reissues then on putting out figures that have had prototypes displayed. hopefully my reasoning doesnt bring any negative outlooks towards this conversation as i know it is not tamashi's fault for me paying more then what they had originally released the figure for
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Post by prodigy1367 on Oct 12, 2015 16:38:35 GMT -6
that part does upset me and granted it might be a significant quantity increase but just re-releasing figures feels cheep to me. i would prefer to have one every couple months then a ton of re-releases. im referring to ssj3 goku, cell, vegeta, trunks. one thing a lot of people seem to forget...not everyone has been following this line since the beginning. Recolors and reissues are essential for new collectors or for people looking to fill holes in their collections. For those who already have the figure recolors may seem cheap but it doesn't mean they shouldn't come out, or even that you need to get them. If you really think about it they are still putting out new releases at the same usual rate, they just have reissues/recolors squeezed in between them. This and also the fact that the PC's are a chance to give us a different version of the character (take Vegeta for instance). So far it's only been 2 PC figures and 2 more unconfirmed. Personally I have no real problem with the PC figures (yet). The figures that have gotten/are getting PC versions are actually deserving of them (except Trunks since he was fine the way he was). Now if they start spamming us with PC figures of every character before that isn't deserving of one, that's when I'll get pissed. For me, Vegeta is great since now I can have a Cell Saga version and a BoG version to add to my display. I can also have a Cell Saga Trunks by using the Jacksdo heads and my spare Trunks heads. For Trunks, I could do without the PC since I already have two and that's all I need. Cell can also turn out great since I can replace mine with what will most likely be an anime accurate version. SSJ3 Goku will probably also turn out much better or even be a BoG version. As long as they stop here, the PC's pose no problem. I mean they COULD do Krillin and unpaint his eyes and darken up his gi but that's about it. Any other character would be a waste since the current ones are already good as is. prayerzero you gotta realize that Tamashii's stepped their game up and now is actually the best time to be in the line. As everyone else has said, we're getting plenty of new characters and also getting some improved older ones as well. Sure some of these figures may use the same parts and sculpts but that's how it is in the DB universe. A lot of characters wear the same stuff, so we really can't blame Tamashii for re-using figures. Just remember that once you make the decision to sell a figure, if you ever regret it, you'll end up losing money since you'll have to pay more. These figures just keep on rising so sell with caution and be sure you DEFINITELY don't mind giving up the figure.
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Post by prayerzero on Oct 12, 2015 16:52:46 GMT -6
one thing a lot of people seem to forget...not everyone has been following this line since the beginning. Recolors and reissues are essential for new collectors or for people looking to fill holes in their collections. For those who already have the figure recolors may seem cheap but it doesn't mean they shouldn't come out, or even that you need to get them. If you really think about it they are still putting out new releases at the same usual rate, they just have reissues/recolors squeezed in between them. This and also the fact that the PM's are a chance to give us a different version of the character (take Vegeta for instance). So far it's only been 2 PM figures and 2 more unconfirmed. Personally I have no real problem with the PM figures (yet). The figures that have gotten/are getting PM versions are actually deserving of them (except Trunks since he was fine the way he was). Now if they start spamming us with PM figures of every character before that isn't deserving of one, that's when I'll get pissed. For me, Vegeta is great since now I can have a Cell Saga version and a BoG version to add to my display. I can also have a Cell Saga Trunks by using the Jacksdo heads and my spare Trunks heads. For Trunks, I could do without the PM since I already have two and that's all I need. Cell can also turn out great since I can replace mine with what will most likely be an anime accurate version. SSJ3 Goku will probably also turn out much better or even be a BoG version. As long as they stop here, the PM's pose no problem. I mean they COULD do Krillin and unpaint his eyes and darken up his gi but that's about it. Any other character would be a waste since the current ones are already good as is. prayerzero you gotta realize that Tamashii's stepped their game up and now is actually the best time to be in the line. As everyone else has said, we're getting plenty of new characters and also getting some improved older ones as well. Sure some of these figures may use the same parts and sculpts but that's how it is in the DB universe. A lot of characters wear the same stuff, so we really can't blame Tamashii for re-using figures. Just remember that once you make the decision to sell a figure, if you ever regret it, you'll end up losing money since you'll have to pay more. These figures just keep on rising so sell with caution and be sure you DEFINITELY don't mind giving up the figure. the advice is much appreciated, i just dont know where the line is going which is causing a bit of doubt on how they will hold up. Granted still the best figures to date as far as dragonball z goes, but i hope they dont flood the market with figures that have already been released. i do believe cell deserves one but im hearing a frieza repaint? i dont think he really needs one, sure maybe the faces were not 100% amazing but i dont think that means he needs a re-release. I dont have cell yet but i also fear with these premium releases that they will be using the same box as the battle damaged goku. Hopefully not since that box irks me more then i like to admit lol
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Post by prodigy1367 on Oct 12, 2015 17:44:58 GMT -6
I too don't wanna see a Frieza repaint. People are also talking about wanting a Scouter Vegeta one too. HELL NO. We already have perfectly good versions of these two. Same with the other figures released (except maybe Krillin since his eyes are wrong).
Thing is, people don't realize that collector figures don't really get re-released. Most of the time, a figure is released once and that's it. That's just how collecting works. If you came into the line late or just don't wanna pay the premium price, tough cookies. It's the name of the game. It may sound harsh but that's the way it is. Re-releases are bonuses, figure companies don't have to do it. As someone that has all of them, I don't want re-releases. I want see new characters, new sculpts, and older characters get released. Re-releases are a waste since I already own the originals. So far, the PC versions are merited improvements so in this specific case, it's warranted.
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Post by Fukkatsu no F on Oct 12, 2015 17:52:36 GMT -6
I too don't wanna see a Frieza repaint. People are also talking about wanting a Scouter Vegeta one too. HELL NO. We already have perfectly good versions of these two. Same with the other figures released (except maybe Krillin since his eyes are wrong). Thing is, people don't realize that collector figures don't really get re-released. Most of the time, a figure is released once and that's it. That's just how collecting works. If you came into the line late or just don't wanna pay the premium price, tough cookies. It's the name of the game. It may sound harsh but that's the way it is. Re-releases are bonuses, figure companies don't have to do it. As someone that has all of them, I don't want re-releases. I want see new characters, new sculpts, and older characters get released. Re-releases are a waste since I already own the originals. So far, the PC versions are merited improvements so in this specific case, it's warranted. Well said.
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Post by Bardoon on Oct 12, 2015 19:37:00 GMT -6
that part does upset me and granted it might be a significant quantity increase but just re-releasing figures feels cheep to me. i would prefer to have one every couple months then a ton of re-releases. im referring to ssj3 goku, cell, vegeta, trunks. one thing a lot of people seem to forget...not everyone has been following this line since the beginning. Recolors and reissues are essential for new collectors or for people looking to fill holes in their collections. For those who already have the figure recolors may seem cheap but it doesn't mean they shouldn't come out, or even that you need to get them. If you really think about it they are still putting out new releases at the same usual rate, they just have reissues/recolors squeezed in between them. As a collector, I don't feel cheated at all with reissues and repaints! If you're judging the value of your collection by how much money it's worth than you're probably collecting for different reasons than most of us. Yes, having rare and collectible figures is a plus and a sign of "collecting history and esteem", but people tend to forget that having MORE people buying figure lines is actually BETTER for the collecting community as a whole. Bandai-Tamashii is seeing a profit and lots of interest, as long as that continues, they will keep on making Dragon Ball Figuarts. If they stuck to their usual guns and didn't do reissues or repaints, you wouldn't see the line booming like it is now.
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Post by prayerzero on Oct 12, 2015 22:07:08 GMT -6
one thing a lot of people seem to forget...not everyone has been following this line since the beginning. Recolors and reissues are essential for new collectors or for people looking to fill holes in their collections. For those who already have the figure recolors may seem cheap but it doesn't mean they shouldn't come out, or even that you need to get them. If you really think about it they are still putting out new releases at the same usual rate, they just have reissues/recolors squeezed in between them. As a collector, I don't feel cheated at all with reissues and repaints! If you're judging the value of your collection by how much money it's worth than you're probably collecting for different reasons than most of us. Yes, having rare and collectible figures is a plus and a sign of "collecting history and esteem", but people tend to forget that having MORE people buying figure lines is actually BETTER for the collecting community as a whole. Bandai-Tamashii is seeing a profit and lots of interest, as long as that continues, they will keep on making Dragon Ball Figuarts. If they stuck to their usual guns and didn't do reissues or repaints, you wouldn't see the line booming like it is now. kinda a bold statement to make, i mean who doesnt look at their collection and ponder what it might be worth? but that is besides the point. I truly dont view that it is ok to continue to re-release every figure, they havent announced they are doing that but it has been a fare amount of them and i am worried it may happen to close to all of them
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Post by Bardoon on Oct 12, 2015 23:36:31 GMT -6
I can't speak for all but I know most of my fellow collectors both on forums and in real life don't collect figures in the anticipation that it will be increasingly valuable someday. They get them cause they like the character or the figure or are a completist with a line, etc. Any increase monetary value is a nice bonus. No doubt you are right that people do wonder what their collection is worth, that's very common. All I'm stating is that most collectors I know don't build a collection based primarily on monetary value.
Another thing I forgot to mention is rerelease or constant releases of popular figures is very common. Why do you think every Transformers line constantly releases different versions of Optimus of Megatron? Or GI Joe with Snake Eyes? Or always seeing the four Turtles again with every TMNT Wave? Even re-releasing the figures along with numerous Waves. Those are the proven sellers and the popular figures. It's a good way of bringing in new fans without letting them miss out on their favorites as well as generating consistent profit on the popular characters.
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Post by rayd on Oct 13, 2015 1:09:36 GMT -6
admittedly the dollar figures that were hand in hand with these figures were what initially caught my eye. I'd never collected any figures before and so the amount of money these were worth astounded me and I kinda thought, 'hey I could make some money off these.'
Once I did some digging and actually bought a couple of figures though, their value became the furthest thing from my mind and it quickly became, how can I display all these to look as cool as possible. Instead of wondering what they were worth I quickly became proud of the collection I had put together and while perhaps at some point I sell them, I'm not overly concerned with what they'd be worth when I do.
Having said that people who are worried the new recolors may hurt the value of the originals, I wouldn't worry too much. Sure they take an initial hit but remembering the recolor figures are slightly different, have less accessories and as far as I am aware are also exclusives, means eventually their price will shoot up, and if their price shoots up, then ur originals will shoot up and remain higher than the repaints due to their original status.
That's how I see it happening anyway.
EDIT: Also, to add to this. The recolors would naturally appeal to the entry level collector who is not prepared to spend the extra on the originals. so while all these entry level collectors buy the repaints and lower the value of the originals, eventually a lot of them may step up and decide they want to complete their collection with the originals, thus increasing demand and value of the originals once more. So there's that.
Also I'm loving the look of SSGSS Goku btw. And seeing comparisons with some statues, I like this much more. That's my personal preference though, imo a lot of statues have even wierder design choices than sh figuarts and can look really weird. Plus, can't beat that articulation.
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Post by prayerzero on Oct 13, 2015 10:54:41 GMT -6
i collect them for a multitude of reasons, i dont plan to resell but i like knowing that what i have is worth money, i mean im pretty much as die hard of a fan as you can be, got a dbz tattoo, spent 1200 when i got picked and given two tickets for the world dub premiere of resurrection F in L.A. I dont collect based off of sheer value alone, but i dont disregard what i have. i like knowing that all the hard work and money i spent collecting these figures isnt going to diminish. No one likes seeing what they bought go down in value. I weigh out that if i spend a couple hundreds bucks will i ever be able to get that same return if i have an emergency and need to sell them. I also spend a fair amount on acrylic cases for them and it would be a bit of a waste of money if i could just go spend 50 bucks on an original ssj3 goku when i had already spent 250. I wouldnt say that its the last thing to come to mind is value but its far from the first.
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Post by prayerzero on Oct 13, 2015 10:55:37 GMT -6
and i dont mean disrespect towards anyone when i say what i say, I just dont like being generalized into the the mindset of collecting based a sheer value alone
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Post by coot83 on Oct 14, 2015 6:36:54 GMT -6
i collect them for a multitude of reasons, i dont plan to resell but i like knowing that what i have is worth money, i mean im pretty much as die hard of a fan as you can be, got a dbz tattoo, spent 1200 when i got picked and given two tickets for the world dub premiere of resurrection F in L.A. I dont collect based off of sheer value alone, but i dont disregard what i have. i like knowing that all the hard work and money i spent collecting these figures isnt going to diminish. No one likes seeing what they bought go down in value. I weigh out that if i spend a couple hundreds bucks will i ever be able to get that same return if i have an emergency and need to sell them. I also spend a fair amount on acrylic cases for them and it would be a bit of a waste of money if i could just go spend 50 bucks on an original ssj3 goku when i had already spent 250. I wouldnt say that its the last thing to come to mind is value but its far from the first. I understand and appreciate where you are coming from. My take on the repaints is that they might not have all the accessories that the originals have and the hair tends to have the all yellow color instead of the fade. Im sure that the originals will go down in value for a time, but as stock gets collected up I bet they will rise almost to what they were in value eventually. It may be sad to see your collection in value decrease for a time, but if that gives more folks the opportunity to jump into collecting for a decent price and add to the community then I am all for it. With that being said though, I am seriously considering selling my SS3 Goku as I like the idea of a repaint and the Datong version is doing a good job holding down the case at the moment. Coot
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Post by drowningrabbit on Oct 14, 2015 7:12:17 GMT -6
I remember back in High School ( Too long ago ) a good friend of mine bought Transformers. G1, and Beast Wars, and all that jazz. Well he equated it to be like the stock market. It constantly fluctuated with prices and you could get an entire set of the Piranacons for $200 one month and the next it was a $500 set.
It would be interesting if that came to this line, however for the Transformers it was more due to the massive scale of the line. Just so many figures!
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Post by rayd on Oct 14, 2015 7:51:16 GMT -6
Ahh... Loved me some Beast Wars as a kid. Definitely my faves.
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