jacob
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Post by jacob on Jun 9, 2015 21:34:32 GMT -6
My guess is that the guy is just jealous or a sore loser that he can't afford the figure, so hes trying to brag to everyone that the listing are scams. Did the guy ever think that maybe theyre actual new ebayers with no experience in bidding and stupidly think that being the top bidder actually wins you the figure? Its the scalper for setting the price at a high price and the dumb bidders increasing the price. Actually when the seller starts the auction low, buyers are the cause of the increased price; it's basic econ. The Goku is scarce therefore buyers are going to bid up the price. As the prices increase, those who have the the Goku will supply theirs into thr market.
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Post by jonmichael on Jun 9, 2015 21:48:52 GMT -6
I've seen a lot of shill bidding happen, especially with action figures and toy auctions. There are a few customizers who got found out for bidding up their own auctions, for example. I wouldn't put it past greedy people on ebay. Any time you have a lot of bids coming out of nowhere from brand new accounts it is kinda suspicious. A lot of people selling expensive items usually have a disclaimer saying no bids from people with zero feedback.
I kinda think this will be the SDCC exclusive. I was saying it when it was first revealed and even brought up other companies that have a single "travelling convention" exclusive for the year. I think it's even more possible with the actual representatives distributing the figures at the convention even saying you will be able to get it at SDCC later. But, we will have to wait and see to be 100% either way.
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Post by rayd on Jun 9, 2015 22:26:28 GMT -6
I get a little tired of the discussion surrounding people who are willing to pay the inflated prices for these figures. This Mexican Goku is a different case than the SS Vegeta's, Trunks', SDCC Goku's as it seems there is a strong indication that this figure will be the SDCC exclusive, I would have maybe paid $100ish for it but I'm not even sure I completely like the figure that much, I've seen custom Normal Goku's with the Krillin belt on them that I think look much better.
Having said that I am going to chime in on my personal opinion on the value of these figures and why people are prepared to pay so much. I came into the line last November, and while at first I was not prepared to pay the prices that the likes of Trunks, and SS Vegeta were going for It got to the point where I was sitting and waiting for a deal on these figures that I was not going to find. I was essentially waiting for someone to put up one of these figures having no idea what their true value was. This was a pipe dream to say the least.
So I posted here saying I was seeking the figures but was not going to go crazy and a member here offered me what I think were completely reasonable deals. Especially in comparison to what these figures were going for on Ebay. They cost me quite a bit extra because the Australian dollar is very weak at the moment and has been for quite a while, and most probably will be for the forseeable future. Thems the breaks unfortunately, not much I can do to change that. If I waited for the dollar to improve I may be waiting a long time and eventually be paying the difference later down the track anyway.
So i've almost completed the collection up until this point, procuring a SS3 Goku, a SS Vegeta, a Trunks, an SDCC Gohan. And if I mentioned the prices I paid there would be some here that would cry. 'I just can't fathom why people would spend so much money on just a piece of plastic!'
I find this comment amusing because I wouldn't spend $5 on 'Just a piece of plastic'. So how come when these figures are released for their initial price, 30,40,50 bucks, it is perfectly fine, but as soon as they become harder to come by and the price increases they are all of a sudden 'just a piece of plastic'? The increased prices are due to the fact that this is how the world works. What a wonderful world it would be if everything held its original value, wish my car would, unfortunately that dropped in value the moment it left the lot. I came to the line late so if I want the figures I have to pay, simple as that. I wanted the figures, understood the reason why I had to pay the prices I did, and was prepared to do so.
So what I can't fathom is how there are some people so confused as to why other people value things differently. I'm not confused as to why you guys don't want to pay that much money, I completely understand it, how come it is such a mystery to you from another perspective?
A few years ago I paid around $700 for a Kobe Bryant signed basketball from the 09 finals. The ball itself was a limited championship ball, one of 500 or something, and it is one of only 50 signed. Kobe Bryant is one of my favourtie athletes, i'm sure the value has probably increased, or possible will when he retires, though i'm not looking to sell any time soon. I'm sure there are a lot of people here who may not follow sport, I know people who wouldn't pay $100 for this ball (unless they were willing to make a profit) because personally it holds no value to them. I would think anybody who were to be dumbfounded by my purchase of this ball, which I am very proud to own, to be rather narrowminded of their views when concerning others and what they value in their lives.
I am similarly proud of the figuarts collection I have acquired, it holds a strong connection to something I thoroughly enjoyed as a child and still do to this day, especially when as an adult priorities shift and you are forced to take things more seriously. At least while I am in the midst of another university semester studying endlessly for exams and frying my brain, I can take my mind off things by playing a video game, watching a movie or messing around with my awesome figuarts display.
I'm not attacking anyone in particular, just commenting on other comments i've seen and hope to maybe help people understand why another person would be prepared to spend more money on this line, or any other for that matter.
I also apologise if this is somewhat off topic, as this does not really apply to the Mexico Goku, but I saw a bit of discussion on overall valuing of the line and thought i'd weigh in.
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jacob
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Post by jacob on Jun 10, 2015 6:24:16 GMT -6
^ nice post! I truely hate to break it to most of you, but this won't be the sdcc exclusive. Outside of sdcc were gohan and ss goku ever released as a repackaged exclusive @ some other convention? The time to get this figure will be after all the hoopla dies down. I say be patient for the next few months to a year, be on the look out and some of you may come up on this figure for around $250-350. It's still pretty expensive, but not as much as what some of these are going for now.
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Post by ssjdude on Jun 10, 2015 7:56:22 GMT -6
Honestly I don't care if it is or not. I'd rather have a ss3 goku or an official super saiyan god goku tbh. But with all the other figures being repainted the super saiyan god is unlikely.
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Post by drowningrabbit on Jun 10, 2015 9:18:22 GMT -6
^ nice post! I truely hate to break it to most of you, but this won't be the sdcc exclusive. Outside of sdcc were gohan and ss goku ever released as a repackaged exclusive @ some other convention? The time to get this figure will be after all the hoopla dies down. I say be patient for the next few months to a year, be on the look out and some of you may come up on this figure for around $250-350. It's still pretty expensive, but not as much as what some of these are going for now. Thank you for informing us of your insider exclusive, what is the SDCC figure then? These kind of posts are really odd to me, they go right along side the old gem: "They will never make another SS Vegeta, just pony up the money for the old one, Trunks too!". Until it's announced, people can hope for anything they want, it can't be said that it is or isn't the SDCC exclusive until we know what the exclusive is.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2015 10:07:47 GMT -6
^ nice post! I truely hate to break it to most of you, but this won't be the sdcc exclusive. Outside of sdcc were gohan and ss goku ever released as a repackaged exclusive @ some other convention? The time to get this figure will be after all the hoopla dies down. I say be patient for the next few months to a year, be on the look out and some of you may come up on this figure for around $250-350. It's still pretty expensive, but not as much as what some of these are going for now. Thank you for informing us of your insider exclusive, what is the SDCC figure then? These kind of posts are really odd to me, they go right along side the old gem: "They will never make another SS Vegeta, just pony up the money for the old one, Trunks too!". Until it's announced, people can hope for anything they want, it can't be said that it is or isn't the SDCC exclusive until we know what the exclusive is. Agreed. I've seen plenty of declared "The Super Saiyan Vegeta will never be re-issues or rereleased in any way or fashion, PERIOD." Well, guess what we're getting this December? Just be patient until they announce it. There is no way for any of us to know. The only person that has actually spoken to someone in mexico said that we'll have the chance to get this Goku in SDCC. That makes it seem likely that we'll get a chance to get it.
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Post by eddieranger on Jun 10, 2015 10:41:27 GMT -6
Mexican Goku up to $830 including shipping. Still two days left.
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Post by prodigy1367 on Jun 10, 2015 11:50:58 GMT -6
^ nice post! I truely hate to break it to most of you, but this won't be the sdcc exclusive. Outside of sdcc were gohan and ss goku ever released as a repackaged exclusive @ some other convention? The time to get this figure will be after all the hoopla dies down. I say be patient for the next few months to a year, be on the look out and some of you may come up on this figure for around $250-350. It's still pretty expensive, but not as much as what some of these are going for now. I would've said the same thing too but Tamashii hasn't exactly been doing what they usually do lately. They've never done a retool/new mold as an exclusive and look what we have here. The best way to try to predict what they'll do next is by looking at what they've done in the past yet they've broken so many of their usual behaviors already and we're only half way through the year. They haven't been following their usual patterns so anything is possible at this point.
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Post by metarat on Jun 10, 2015 14:30:17 GMT -6
You know what? I don't even care. I don't want this as the SDCC exclusive. I just want a repaint of SSJ3 Goku or Perfect Cell...
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Post by blank on Jun 10, 2015 16:37:09 GMT -6
You know what? I don't even care. I don't want this as the SDCC exclusive. I just want a repaint of SSJ3 Goku or Perfect Cell... Well I do! As it would go perfectly with my Saiyan saga Vegeta, and Frieza as the Mexico Goku is from those sagas. SS Goku and SDCC Gohan goes with Perfect Cell. SS Vegeta and Trunks goes with the Androids 16, 17, and 18. SS Goku goes with Broly. And so forth with the others, but SS3 Goku doesn't go with anyone in the current line. We need a villain for it. But a repaint of a SS3 Goku is a waste in opinion as it still doesn't fit with anyone else in the line. Like SS3 Goku doesn't face Cell or Frieza in DBZ. But I would want the Mexico Goku to be the SDCC exclusive as it fits in the current line well and thats the Goku that I remember as a child that got me into Dragon Ball Z, and then later just Dragon Ball. I watched it backwards. lol! But would want the Mexico Goku as the SDCC exclusive but not goingto pay that crazy amount. I know its a exclusive, but even so what fact do they go by to start of the bidding at $200 to $400 already. What? Just because theres only 500 made? Right? Thats it? Right? If so then the sellers are just ridiculous. I swear it'll be HILARIOUS as if they meant 500 of them made as in 500 of them to be packaged in the Mexico package, and still will be released as the SDCC exclusive having everything the same, meaing those paid $500 to $700 just for a box. lol! But we'll see though...
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Post by ssjdude on Jun 10, 2015 18:17:47 GMT -6
You know what? I don't even care. I don't want this as the SDCC exclusive. I just want a repaint of SSJ3 Goku or Perfect Cell... Well I do! As it would go perfectly with my Saiyan saga Vegeta, and Frieza as the Mexico Goku is from those sagas. SS Goku and SDCC Gohan goes with Perfect Cell. SS Vegeta and Trunks goes with the Androids 16, 17, and 18. SS Goku goes with Broly. And so forth with the others, but SS3 Goku doesn't go with anyone in the current line. We need a villain for it. But a repaint of a SS3 Goku is a waste in opinion as it still doesn't fit with anyone else in the line. Like SS3 Goku doesn't face Cell or Frieza in DBZ. But I would want the Mexico Goku to be the SDCC exclusive as it fits in the current line well and thats the Goku that I remember as a child that got me into Dragon Ball Z, and then later just Dragon Ball. I watched it backwards. lol! But would want the Mexico Goku as the SDCC exclusive but not goingto pay that crazy amount. I know its a exclusive, but even so what fact do they go by to start of the bidding at $200 to $400 already. What? Just because theres only 500 made? Right? Thats it? Right? If so then the sellers are just ridiculous. I swear it'll be HILARIOUS as if they meant 500 of them made as in 500 of them to be packaged in the Mexico package, and still will be released as the SDCC exclusive having everything the same, meaing those paid $500 to $700 just for a box. lol! But we'll see though... I'm sure many people would take a new SS3 Goku anyday and when you talk about how certain figures are paired with eachother based on sagas your wrong. No figure necessarily needs to "belong" in a group. If they were following that strategy then what explains the gap between SS vegeta and the androids? It seems like that's more of a personal preference you have. Also once ultimate gohan and buu come out you'll have your "group". The only thing you've said that I agree with is the lack of villians
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Post by littlegreen on Jun 10, 2015 18:22:22 GMT -6
I see what he's saying, it's almost like SS3 Goku doesn't belong with the others. He doesn't fit in just yet.
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Post by jacob on Jun 10, 2015 18:40:33 GMT -6
^ nice post! I truely hate to break it to most of you, but this won't be the sdcc exclusive. Outside of sdcc were gohan and ss goku ever released as a repackaged exclusive @ some other convention? The time to get this figure will be after all the hoopla dies down. I say be patient for the next few months to a year, be on the look out and some of you may come up on this figure for around $250-350. It's still pretty expensive, but not as much as what some of these are going for now. Thank you for informing us of your insider exclusive, what is the SDCC figure then? These kind of posts are really odd to me, they go right along side the old gem: "They will never make another SS Vegeta, just pony up the money for the old one, Trunks too!". Until it's announced, people can hope for anything they want, it can't be said that it is or isn't the SDCC exclusive until we know what the exclusive is. Most collectors--including myself--would absolutely want this figure to be the Sdcc exclusive, but lets be real and rational--the probability for it being the exclusive is very, very low. Think about it from their perspective (Company). They are trying to appeal to the mass market of collectors rather then the die hards (one of the many reasons why this goku wasn't one of the first released, as consumers probably preferred the symbol less goku). That's probably why they've milked the ss goku that's on it's third reissue--it appeals to the masses. There maybe some variation of this figure but not for a long time (2-3 yrs). The Co. needs to produce and sell other figures from the dbz world to fuel the specialty figures, and they've got a long way to go. Think about Nappa, for instance. It's for the die hard rather then the avg. collector, which is why Broly was issued first. Broly not only tested the market but brought in some guaranteed $$ P.s. let's note that i was referring specifically to an exclusive convention issued figure. While you my friend weren't.
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Post by blank on Jun 10, 2015 18:42:14 GMT -6
Well I do! As it would go perfectly with my Saiyan saga Vegeta, and Frieza as the Mexico Goku is from those sagas. SS Goku and SDCC Gohan goes with Perfect Cell. SS Vegeta and Trunks goes with the Androids 16, 17, and 18. SS Goku goes with Broly. And so forth with the others, but SS3 Goku doesn't go with anyone in the current line. We need a villain for it. But a repaint of a SS3 Goku is a waste in opinion as it still doesn't fit with anyone else in the line. Like SS3 Goku doesn't face Cell or Frieza in DBZ. But I would want the Mexico Goku to be the SDCC exclusive as it fits in the current line well and thats the Goku that I remember as a child that got me into Dragon Ball Z, and then later just Dragon Ball. I watched it backwards. lol! But would want the Mexico Goku as the SDCC exclusive but not goingto pay that crazy amount. I know its a exclusive, but even so what fact do they go by to start of the bidding at $200 to $400 already. What? Just because theres only 500 made? Right? Thats it? Right? If so then the sellers are just ridiculous. I swear it'll be HILARIOUS as if they meant 500 of them made as in 500 of them to be packaged in the Mexico package, and still will be released as the SDCC exclusive having everything the same, meaing those paid $500 to $700 just for a box. lol! But we'll see though... I'm sure many people would take a new SS3 Goku anyday and when you talk about how certain figures are paired with eachother based on sagas your wrong. No figure necessarily needs to "belong" in a group. If they were following that strategy then what explains the gap between SS vegeta and the androids? It seems like that's more of a personal preference you have. Also once ultimate gohan and buu come out you'll have your "group". The only thing you've said that I agree with is the lack of villians What? I didn't mean that they "necessarily" need to belong in a group, don't know where you got that assumption from? But meant as in display or posing and such. Of course there is no rules in how to pose your figures like you can have Godzilla fighting a Evangelion or a Gundam or a Family Guy Stewie figure and such lol! But commonly people pose their figures of the same story, arc, movie and such. Because thats how they saw them or remember them. But in this case, in the SH Figuarts Dragon Ball Z line, there are characters that can be posed to together to create a scene that we've seen. Thus, I don't know why have a SS3 Goku redone again? As to a redone Perfect Cell would still fit in and make sense in the line. Still don't know why we got SS3 Goku other than fans voted for him to be done, right? But over all, i'd rather have another new character be done like Kid Buu, Cooler or Final Form Cooler, than just a simple tweeking of a existing figure to be a new figure (Vegetto) or a existing figure just colored differently (SDCC Piccolo for example) or Mexico Goku for that matter. A new character that will extend the current line.
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