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Post by ssjtrunks on Jan 20, 2016 15:54:47 GMT -6
As much as I want a Freeza that won't cost hundreds of $$, the fact they released a PC ver. of two old figures, doesn't mean they're gonna do it for each one, it'll just ruin their market. That doesn't even make any sense. How does it ruin their market when they're sold out every time? I think you need to do more research on business before implying extremely wrong information about how the market works. The inflation of certain figures just shows the customers demand in the market.
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Post by th3madcow on Jan 20, 2016 16:00:05 GMT -6
How would it ruin their market? There is money to be made. It might ruin the scalper market... I hope they release premium color version of all of the characters. Think about it, a lot of people are buying some extras, or even much more, only for scalping because they are aware the price will go up. If they'll just make a PCE for every release they had before that goes for much now, people will stop getting more for scalping, and their sellings will decrease a lot. I'm new to these forums but not new to collecting things and more often than not, companies who sell collectibles don't look at secondary market pricing very much. It doesn't help or benefit them in any way (other than gauging demand) to pay attention to it as they don't make any extra money off of it. Personally, I think if they re-released a lot of the old figures they would make a killing. People like myself who recently picked up collecting Figuarts that really don't want to drop $150 on a Frieza would probably grab 2 or 3 (or even more) for themselves. And trust me, there are always going to be the people out there that will by to resell at a later date. That's what people do. Ill buy 3 or 4 of every rerelease that is currently at an obscene price. Not for reselling but because I like the figures and don't want to deal with scalpers down the road. It's kind of ridiculous that the only reasonably priced villain out there at the moment is Golden Frieza. Not a ton you can do with him. Just my input. Tamashii would benefit greatly from rereleases and fixing issues with old figures like SS3 Goku's coloring or Scouter Vegeta's horrible leg joints.
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Post by drowningrabbit on Jan 20, 2016 16:48:55 GMT -6
Semantics. It's an effective re-issue. Its not a reissue. Its technically a whole different new figure. As to be a actual reissue it means that it has to be the same as its previous release, such as same exact colors and same exact accessories. None of PC Trunks and Vegeta are it. Even Bandai/Tamashii didn't declare it as a reissue, as it does not meet the category of a reissue. Its the fans/consumers who missed out on the original who are thinking and keep telling themselves that its a reissue as its their desire to have the original, but can't due to can't find it or mainly the price of what it goes for, so they consider the PC a reissue when it actually isn't.
If PC Trunks and Vegeta were considered reissues, then that would mean the SDCC Piccolo, SDCC SS Goku, SDCC SS Gohan, SDCC Vegeta, and SDCC Namek Goku are reissues too then, but theyre not, right? Hence PC Trunks and Vegeta are not either. None of them were categorized as reissues by Bandai/Tamashii themselves. So PC Vegeta and Trunks are new releases, not an effective reissue.
As someone who DOES own them, it's effectively a re-issue. As much as you hate to see that word there is a word before re-issue, here let me help you out: dictionary.reference.com/browse/effectiveEffective [ih-fek-tiv] adjective 1. adequate to accomplish a purpose; producing the intended or expected result: Hey, everyone learns something new sometimes! For people who do not have a SSj Vegeta, it's getting one in their hands. Same with Trunks. It's not some oddly painted one, it has a slightly different shade of color. SDCC versions have usually VERY different versions of the paint jobs. So it doesn't come with all of the accessories. That sucks really. But for people not willing to shell out for the original release, they can still get their SSj Vegeta or Trunks. I'm not saying that it's a re-issue, because it isn't for the reasons you stated, but mostly due to it not having the accessories. It is STILL a new release of a figure using the same mold, painted in the same color palette as the original. For many, that's enough. For that reason, for all of the people looking to own those versions of the figure, it's an effective ( adetquate to accomplish a purpose; producing the intended or expected result ) re-issue of SSj Vegeta or Trunks.
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Post by kendall on Jan 20, 2016 19:30:36 GMT -6
Its not a reissue. Its technically a whole different new figure. As to be a actual reissue it means that it has to be the same as its previous release, such as same exact colors and same exact accessories. None of PC Trunks and Vegeta are it. Even Bandai/Tamashii didn't declare it as a reissue, as it does not meet the category of a reissue. Its the fans/consumers who missed out on the original who are thinking and keep telling themselves that its a reissue as its their desire to have the original, but can't due to can't find it or mainly the price of what it goes for, so they consider the PC a reissue when it actually isn't.
If PC Trunks and Vegeta were considered reissues, then that would mean the SDCC Piccolo, SDCC SS Goku, SDCC SS Gohan, SDCC Vegeta, and SDCC Namek Goku are reissues too then, but theyre not, right? Hence PC Trunks and Vegeta are not either. None of them were categorized as reissues by Bandai/Tamashii themselves. So PC Vegeta and Trunks are new releases, not an effective reissue.
As someone who DOES own them, it's effectively a re-issue. As much as you hate to see that word there is a word before re-issue, here let me help you out: dictionary.reference.com/browse/effectiveEffective [ih-fek-tiv] adjective 1. adequate to accomplish a purpose; producing the intended or expected result: Hey, everyone learns something new sometimes! For people who do not have a SSj Vegeta, it's getting one in their hands. Same with Trunks. It's not some oddly painted one, it has a slightly different shade of color. SDCC versions have usually VERY different versions of the paint jobs. So it doesn't come with all of the accessories. That sucks really. But for people not willing to shell out for the original release, they can still get their SSj Vegeta or Trunks. I'm not saying that it's a re-issue, because it isn't for the reasons you stated, but mostly due to it not having the accessories. It is STILL a new release of a figure using the same mold, painted in the same color palette as the original. For many, that's enough. For that reason, for all of the people looking to own those versions of the figure, it's an effective ( adetquate to accomplish a purpose; producing the intended or expected result ) re-issue of SSj Vegeta or Trunks. NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERD! Jk. You're absolutely right. Especially in my case, as I missed out on SSj Vegeta. I needed this release, and Trunks too.
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Post by jonmichael on Jan 20, 2016 19:35:03 GMT -6
It is officially not a reissue, as per Bandai/Tamashii's strict internal policy. Just like how the American MMPR Figuarts were not considered the same releases as the Zyuranger Figuarts. To be considered a reissue, it would need to be the exact same in every way. Even the Mexican and SDCC Gokus are officially separate releases. That's straight from the makers. "Kinda the same" =/= the same figure or release. It is a new release. Take it up with Tamashii...
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Post by drowningrabbit on Jan 20, 2016 20:01:53 GMT -6
It is officially not a reissue, as per Bandai/Tamashii's strict internal policy. Just like how the American MMPR Figuarts were not considered the same releases as the Zyuranger Figuarts. To be considered a reissue, it would need to be the exact same in every way. Even the Mexican and SDCC Gokus are officially separate releases. That's straight from the makers. "Kinda the same" =/= the same figure or release. It is a new release. Take it up with Tamashii... Nobody is saying it is a pure reissue, official or not? Don't know what would be taken up with Tamashii?
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Post by prodigy1367 on Jan 20, 2016 20:25:58 GMT -6
For Vegeta, they could color his suit the same shade as SSJ PC Vegeta. For Frieza, they shouldn't do it at all. The current one is perfect as is and tbh I'd rather have a new figure or another form of Frieza. Plus there's nothing they could possibly do to "premium" color Frieza. Make him whiter?
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Post by blank on Jan 20, 2016 20:48:05 GMT -6
For Vegeta, they could color his suit the same shade as SSJ PC Vegeta. For Frieza, they shouldn't do it at all. The current one is perfect as is and tbh I'd rather have a new figure or another form of Frieza. Plus there's nothing they could possibly do to "premium" color Frieza. Make him whiter? I agree, they should do a new version of Frieza. My hope is that they do one in his first form, especially if his hover pod (whatever its called that he rides in, I forget at the moment) is include too! Now that would be so cool! And can possibly lead into doing the Ginyu Force to recreate such scenes. I doubt the Ginyu Force, but one can dream.
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Post by blank on Jan 20, 2016 21:20:05 GMT -6
Its not a reissue. Its technically a whole different new figure. As to be a actual reissue it means that it has to be the same as its previous release, such as same exact colors and same exact accessories. None of PC Trunks and Vegeta are it. Even Bandai/Tamashii didn't declare it as a reissue, as it does not meet the category of a reissue. Its the fans/consumers who missed out on the original who are thinking and keep telling themselves that its a reissue as its their desire to have the original, but can't due to can't find it or mainly the price of what it goes for, so they consider the PC a reissue when it actually isn't.
If PC Trunks and Vegeta were considered reissues, then that would mean the SDCC Piccolo, SDCC SS Goku, SDCC SS Gohan, SDCC Vegeta, and SDCC Namek Goku are reissues too then, but theyre not, right? Hence PC Trunks and Vegeta are not either. None of them were categorized as reissues by Bandai/Tamashii themselves. So PC Vegeta and Trunks are new releases, not an effective reissue.
As someone who DOES own themAs someone who DOES own them, it's effectively a re-issue. As much as you hate to see that word there is a word before re-issue, here let me help you out: dictionary.reference.com/browse/effectiveEffective [ih-fek-tiv] adjective 1. adequate to accomplish a purpose; producing the intended or expected result: Hey, everyone learns something new sometimes! For people who do not have a SSj Vegeta, it's getting one in their hands. Same with Trunks. It's not some oddly painted one, it has a slightly different shade of color. SDCC versions have usually VERY different versions of the paint jobs. So it doesn't come with all of the accessories. That sucks really. But for people not willing to shell out for the original release, they can still get their SSj Vegeta or Trunks. I'm not saying that it's a re-issue, because it isn't for the reasons you stated, but mostly due to it not having the accessories. It is STILL a new release of a figure using the same mold, painted in the same color palette as the original. For many, that's enough. For that reason, for all of the people looking to own those versions of the figure, it's an effective ( adetquate to accomplish a purpose; producing the intended or expected result ) re-issue of SSj Vegeta or Trunks. I never said that I don't own them as that's whats what your implying by "As someone who DOES own them". I own the original and the new version too. For people who can't get their hands on one theres the DaTongs. But of course a authentic real one is always best. But its not a slightly different shade of colors, I hope your not color blind, but dude but its different colors. Different shades, not slightly, but completely different. Here let me help you out, video below....
Not everyone has the exact same color perception.
But you can go with your way to say it. Its still not a reissue, and not that I don't like the word, its just not a reissue as to the reasons why I stated. As to even Bandai/Tamashii didn't categorize it as a reissue either. You can call it whatever you want, its still not a effective or whatever reissue. Your saying that its not a reissue because to my reasons, yet your saying its a "effective" reissue? Dude theres no term of reissue to PC Vegeta or Trunks, none. Yes, Bandai did this to find a way out of their stupid exclusive policy, but the term reissue has nothing to do with it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2016 22:28:00 GMT -6
As someone who DOES own themAs someone who DOES own them, it's effectively a re-issue. As much as you hate to see that word there is a word before re-issue, here let me help you out: dictionary.reference.com/browse/effectiveEffective [ih-fek-tiv] adjective 1. adequate to accomplish a purpose; producing the intended or expected result: Hey, everyone learns something new sometimes! For people who do not have a SSj Vegeta, it's getting one in their hands. Same with Trunks. It's not some oddly painted one, it has a slightly different shade of color. SDCC versions have usually VERY different versions of the paint jobs. So it doesn't come with all of the accessories. That sucks really. But for people not willing to shell out for the original release, they can still get their SSj Vegeta or Trunks. I'm not saying that it's a re-issue, because it isn't for the reasons you stated, but mostly due to it not having the accessories. It is STILL a new release of a figure using the same mold, painted in the same color palette as the original. For many, that's enough. For that reason, for all of the people looking to own those versions of the figure, it's an effective ( adetquate to accomplish a purpose; producing the intended or expected result ) re-issue of SSj Vegeta or Trunks. I never said that I don't own them as that's whats what your implying by "As someone who DOES own them". I own the original and the new version too. For people who can't get their hands on one theres the DaTongs. But of course a authentic real one is always best. But its not a slightly different shade of colors, I hope your not color blind, but dude but its different colors. Different shades, not slightly, but completely different. Here let me help you out, video below....
Not everyone has the exact same color perception.
But you can go with your way to say it. Its still not a reissue, and not that I don't like the word, its just not a reissue as to the reasons why I stated. As to even Bandai/Tamashii didn't categorize it as a reissue either. You can call it whatever you want, its still not a effective or whatever reissue. Your saying that its not a reissue because to my reasons, yet your saying its a "effective" reissue? Dude theres no term of reissue to PC Vegeta or Trunks, none. Yes, Bandai did this to find a way out of their stupid exclusive policy, but the term reissue has nothing to do with it.
For the vast majority of collectors of DBZ Figuarts that aren't on this site arguing the semantics of a "Premium recolor" vs. a "reissue" that missed out on the original releases of the Vegeta and Trunks, I'm sure the premium recolors will be purchased, as they serve the same exact purpose (and mold, other than the boot tip) as the past figures. Are there slight differences to appease the more die hard collectors? Yes. (Though the price has already dropped around $100 for the originals, as they're losing value.) But do they ultimately serve the exact purpose in function of the originals, as an action figure of the designated character during their era, down to the outfits the characters are wearing? Yes, they do. They are ultimately doing exactly what the purpose and function of what the reissues do: Getting the mold of these characters into collectors hands, and making money off them. Are they what Tamashii labels as a reissue: No, because they knew it would frustrate the collectors and the collecting market that surrounds them. Both sides are right. They're technically not labeled reissues and have enough differences to be unique (even if it's from a lack of accessories), but they serve the exact function of a reissue.
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Post by prodigy1367 on Jan 21, 2016 18:29:04 GMT -6
Short answer:
Technically, no they aren't re-issues since they're a completely different color, include more/less accessories, have different boxes, and are explicitly NOT marketed as such.
Essentially, they are since they use the exact same molds.
Now can we move on and discuss other possible PC releases?
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Post by tsarquise on Jan 21, 2016 19:20:21 GMT -6
Short answer: Technically, no they aren't re-issues since they're a completely different color, include more/less accessories, have different boxes, and are explicitly NOT marketed as such. Essentially, they are since they use the exact same molds. Now can we move on and discuss other possible PC releases? Lol exactly... I think everyone in this thread is smart enough to know this; I don't know why they are arguing...
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Post by tsarquise on Jan 21, 2016 19:27:45 GMT -6
For Vegeta, they could color his suit the same shade as SSJ PC Vegeta. For Frieza, they shouldn't do it at all. The current one is perfect as is and tbh I'd rather have a new figure or another form of Frieza. Plus there's nothing they could possibly do to "premium" color Frieza. Make him whiter? They should do a PC Frieza, there are many people who don't have a Frieza and don't want to spend $200 on it... They could change the color of the Purple; kind of like the two versions of the ichiban Kuji Friezas and subtly change the shading and color of the skin and maybe omit the accessories... Hell, they could make him all metallic... Just because you and others deem it perfect already, doesnt mean a pc version would detract from the original... And it doesn't mean they won't release new characters... Lol Tamashii can make more money and collectors can get a decently priced Frieza. Tamashii, please make premium color versions of all of the old releases!!! There is no reason not to.
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Post by prodigy1367 on Jan 21, 2016 20:52:53 GMT -6
I guess since PC's are only repaints, it doesn't really take too many resources away from them but it's still considered a new figure from their point and that spot could be used for something new. There's also the people that already have the OG Frieza and don't want a repaint. This line already has too many repaints and imo PC's should be reserved for characters that have a VERY high demand (like Trunks and Vegeta) or deserve a repaint (like SSJ3, Cell, and MAYBE Krillin if only for his eyes).
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Post by angelo2113 on Jan 21, 2016 23:19:01 GMT -6
Premium Colors are all around best for Tamashii and, in the long run, for the collector. The profit from those releases could be applied to improvements for their future releases.
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