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Post by Seal on Nov 30, 2014 11:28:44 GMT -6
SDCC is still a long way, but its got me wonding... What could be the DBZ SDCC repaint this year?
In order of release date: 1. Manga Piccolo - Already got an SDCC release 2. Manga SSJ Goku - Already got an SDCC release 3. Manga Gohan - Already got an SDCC release 4. Super Saiyan Vegeta - Somewhat of a chance to be an SDCC release with gold toes 5. Super Saiyan 3 Goku - High possibility due to awful paint job 6. Future Trunks - Not a very good chance (fairly accurate) 7. Perfect Cell - Already somewhat accurate to anime 8. Saiyan Saga Vegeta - Already got an SDCC release 9. Final Form Frieza - Completely accurate to anime 10. Krillin- Completely accurate to anime 11. Normal Goku - Highest probability of an SDCC release: Possibly Kaioken or Super Saiyan God repaint. 12. Android 18 - Accurate to anime 13. Android 17 - Accurate to anime 14. Broly - Doubt they would release another with green hair 15. Android 16 - Completely accurate to anime 16. Vegito - Completely accurate to anime
Krillin isnt actually anime accurate now that i think of it. His eyes in the anime are just drawn in, not white though. also im watching og dragonball and krillin apparently is castrated. tells goku he's a boy even though he may not feel like one to gokus touch... random i know but ithought id share
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Post by angelo2113 on Nov 30, 2014 11:33:32 GMT -6
SDCC is still a long way, but its got me wonding... What could be the DBZ SDCC repaint this year?
In order of release date: 1. Manga Piccolo - Already got an SDCC release 2. Manga SSJ Goku - Already got an SDCC release 3. Manga Gohan - Already got an SDCC release 4. Super Saiyan Vegeta - Somewhat of a chance to be an SDCC release with gold toes 5. Super Saiyan 3 Goku - High possibility due to awful paint job 6. Future Trunks - Not a very good chance (fairly accurate) 7. Perfect Cell - Already somewhat accurate to anime 8. Saiyan Saga Vegeta - Already got an SDCC release 9. Final Form Frieza - Completely accurate to anime 10. Krillin- Completely accurate to anime 11. Normal Goku - Highest probability of an SDCC release: Possibly Kaioken or Super Saiyan God repaint. 12. Android 18 - Accurate to anime 13. Android 17 - Accurate to anime 14. Broly - Doubt they would release another with green hair 15. Android 16 - Completely accurate to anime 16. Vegito - Completely accurate to anime
@m5jagdragonpanzeriv hit the nail on the head with Super Saiyan Vegeta. I wouldn't bet on Super Saiyan 3 Goku because Tamashii DID actually attempt to make him anime accurate. Future Trunks is already anime accurate. Neither Kaioken or Super Saiyan God repaint would work or be done for Goku. SDCC Exclusives are aimed at the Western market. God Goku is popular everywhere. Kaioken Goku would need a completely different gi. (Edited: Well, with the belt.) A darker/red gi could work for Goku though. Similar to the SDCC Super Saiyan Goku. Broly seems to have green hair but the pictures don't seem to actually capture it correctly. I don't know what's going on with that. I thought Vegito has manga hair.
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Post by gotenks on Nov 30, 2014 12:07:21 GMT -6
so will we get a manga colors trunks???
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Post by angelo2113 on Nov 30, 2014 12:20:18 GMT -6
so will we get a manga colors trunks??? No. Unless Bluefin decides to switch their strategy.
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Post by Bardoon on Nov 30, 2014 12:48:16 GMT -6
I'm pretty sure DBZ SHF is one of Tamashii's best selling lines, and I'm pretty sure they know the full extent of demand for a lot of characters, and they can do SDCC exclusives of web exclusives, and they haven't said they can't do NYCC exclusives, so why don't they do that for SSJ3 Goku, SSJ Vegeta, Trunks, Cell, Frieza or change the "web exclusive reissue" rule, they must know that 4-5 new figures, 2 exclusives (and 1-2 rereleases every other year) will bring forth lots of revenue. Which in turn could bring either more figures, option packages, or more accessories, which again would bring even more revenue. (If I'm wrong about anything said please inform me.) I posted an interview from one of Bandai Tamashii's American representatives (that actually lives in Japan) and he comments on a lot of what you're asking about. He gives corporate answers, but they're still telling. You might have to hunt for it in my past posts. The employee (who seems to be one of the key American Bandai guys) comments that DBZ is one of their "biggest" lines. But he doesn't say in what terms...just that it is indeed very popular and doing well. The reissue law is mumbo jumbo, a self-imposed "rule" that Tamashii doesn't even follow all the time. For example, the clearest example is the SSJ Goku Figuarts ZERO who has been re-issued despite being a web exclusive. The Bandai guy even said any re-issues are possible but wouldn't comment clearly on them. I don't know about Tamashii's other lines, but I'm sure they've broken their own "rule" a few more times. I admit, I'm a little disappointed in some of my fellow collectors who believe so strongly in it. Businesses will do what's right by them and what's right for them is MONEY/PROFITS/QUARTERLY REVENUE; They'll reissue if they know they can make the profit. And they'll figure whatever wording fits their preference to reissue whatever they want. Ultimately, I think it's just that as a Japanese company, Bandai/Tamashii caters to their Japanese audience, and Dragon Ball is just not as big as some of their other lines (Kamen Rider releases are like 2-3 new figures every month it seems). I think they are AWARE of DBZ's extreme popularity worldwide, but they don't want to devote the resources to meeting that demand because it costs them more to develop, produce and ship products overseas than it does for the money-makers they sell at home and maximizes their profits. To comment on the "reissues kill value"...yes that's partially true, but that value is only to the collecting community and scalpers. Businesses have already made their money on the products and aftermarket prices don't affect them in ANY way unless they issue a product at those costs (which most don't do). I like to see my collection value, but I don't buy them with the intent of reselling or letting it sit and grow in price. Plus, for a line that Tamashii wants to GROW and EXPAND, re-issues are an excellent way of keeping people invested and collectors/buyers coming back over and over. In terms of Bandai/Tamashii's exclusives, I believe that the SDCC/Convention Exclusives should follow the "no reissue" rule, but in a world where SO MANY products are all now "web only" even some of Tamashii's OTHER lines besides DBZ, sticking by your "no reissue" rules for products that WOULD'VE BEEN ON STORE SHELVES is not only ridiculous, but bad for business and stupid.
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Post by Killian on Nov 30, 2014 13:32:58 GMT -6
Finally an answer that actually answers my question. The funny thing is when I was talking to real life people about my question, I answered it myself with basically what you just said
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Post by timone317 on Nov 30, 2014 13:41:17 GMT -6
been meaning to post this as I made a similar argument about the decision to reissue the Figuarts Zero Goku a while back. I felt SS Vegeta and Trunks had a chance to be released for the European markets since the Figuarts Zero Goku, a web exclusive, saw a reissue. did some digging and this is basically what I've been banking on ever since Figuarts SS Goku and Piccolo saw a second reissue. Worth mentioning, even though those two are seeing a second release in America they were mainly put out for European markets. sourceuser quote - "It been stated in a interview that was a very, very special case. It's unlikely web exclusive to be reissue ever again anytime soon as stated in this recent interview with Bluefin." "Lim: The Figuarts Zero Goku was the very first Tamashii Web Exclusive that was ever re-issued and that was a very, very special case because its main purpose was for launching the market in Europe. The North American market sort of piggy-backed on that re-issue, but again, mainly for Europe and other new markets just to get the Dragon Ball thing going over there. It's not likely this can ever happen again because the limited nature of the Web Exclusive label pretty much ensures that once it comes out, it's done."Who can say with any certainty they WON'T put out Trunks and Vegeta for the European markets? Although it could potentially be a bad thing...I've read the third reissues of SS Goku and Piccolo have numerous QC issues...but that's beside the point. They can always release SS Vegeta and Trunks again for the European markets and absolutely should. when I said all that it hadn't occurred to me that this was for a Figuarts Zero release...I'm guessing they consider Figuarts and Figuarts Zero completely seperate and Figuarts already had a prescence in European markets. It sounds very wrong now that I'm reading it but it could very well be the case. If he was referring to the Dragonball line as a whole...well...either way, I can't figure out why they would go against their word and make such a big deal over the Figuarts Zero Goku. seems incredibly strange now that I think about it. why would they break the web exclusive rule and put out another run of the Figuarts Zero Goku instead of the highly in demand SS Vegeta? I don't know, maybe they had a good reason, maybe Figuarts Zero releases would appeal more to European collectors...can't possibly know. all that aside, I do think it's safe to say we can't expect anymore DBZ reissues. It's why I think an SDCC SS Vegeta/Trunks would make so much sense for this current point in time (all other arguments aside). well...for all I know it may just be for the benefit of collectors scalpers, I doubt Bandai earns massive profits off of limited run SDCC exclusives. at the end of the day I think it's best to just accept what they release and leave it at that.
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Post by Bardoon on Nov 30, 2014 14:11:25 GMT -6
Nice comments timone.
I only disagree with you that I say we can EXPECT more re-issues. However, we're going to get no promises/news/"which ones" from Tamashii until they magically pop up on their website. It may be a year from now or more, but I expect it... and if it isn't the exact figure and colors, it's different colors, or a new version of the character's original release (like a potential SSJ Vegeta 2.0 like I suggested).
They're going to hide behind their re-issue rules until it's "convenient" for "very, very, very special cases" like they claim. Which basically means, "we know we can make a good profit by re-issuing this product". Prime example right there of Tamashii stepping over itself and using secret lingo to mask their excuse for re-issuing something to make some money.
All the bootleg attention Datong's SSJ Vegeta (and now Scouter version) is getting is MORE than enough for a "very, very, very special case" in my opinion.
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Post by Bardoon on Nov 30, 2014 22:47:04 GMT -6
West Coast labor negotiations at multiple ports has caused massive slowdown and congestion of goods coming in that way. www.cnbc.com/id/102208764Strongly rumored that Bluefin distribution is indeed affected by this. It can also explain why upcoming Tamashii products have disappeared on Amazon because Amazon has lots of shipping commitments tied to their sales.
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Post by Adrenaline on Nov 30, 2014 23:32:13 GMT -6
No way you get God Goku as an SDCC exclusive. He requires a completely different body and hair sculpt for accuracy. Doubt the manga colored Trunks too as I am pretty sure tamashii said they were done with those color schemes. Also, Perfect Cell is FAR from anime accurate, so either he or SS3Goku should be repainted. Probably SS3Goku with kai back on.
But don't count out Gotenks Buu as an SDCC option. Since they have already shown two different chest and head sculpts for them, they might try to tie one of them into the equation.
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Post by Branjita on Dec 1, 2014 0:09:35 GMT -6
They used basically the same body for Goku as SS3 Goku (just better looking shoulders on SS3 Goku) so I wouldn't be surprised if they just repainted Goku as SSG Goku. I don't think that is what will be the SDCC exclusive though. My money would be on SS3 Goku as SDCC exclusive. The question is... why are all of y'all discussing this 8 months before SDCC...? We can't even get a hint until like May or June
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Post by timone317 on Dec 1, 2014 1:07:16 GMT -6
don't question it, just go with it. pretty much banking on SS3 Goku as well. IMO, IMO, it's the least desirable option so of course it has a high likelihood of being released. still a bit burned from the Vegeta let down this year (really wanted a new version of SS Vegeta). now they could easily knock it out of the park...give the skin the exact same tone as the normal Goku (love that tone by the way), fix the mud brown gi, and even though it wouldn't make any sense maybe they could offer a power up effect with an alternate color. maybe blue. they won't, but I think it would be cool. ran across my mind. I only know this from a post I read but these figures are planned out a year in advance...now I don't know if this forum is a factor at all but if it is wouldn't you say talking about the SDCC release a year in advance might be helpful? if not it's still good, it's obviously bothering some people, so...worth discussing.
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Post by angelo2113 on Dec 1, 2014 1:31:39 GMT -6
If they do indeed plan a year in advance, I believe the picture of the poll that @m5jagdragonpanzeriv put up on his forum is their plan. It seems way too coincidental that the releases/prototypes happen to be on that list.*
Edited: That makes sense now.
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Post by SupremeKai on Dec 1, 2014 2:17:19 GMT -6
C'mon anime accurate Cell. Hell! I'd be happy with a nicer version of SS3 Goku, equally. I just hope they don't squander next years exclusive, like the did last time around.
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Post by Branjita on Dec 1, 2014 10:31:50 GMT -6
timone317 Well, discussing it in advance isn't a bad idea, but my guess is that they already know what they are doing in July. Discussing doesn't hurt I suppose!
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