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Post by Adrenaline on Jan 3, 2018 16:33:56 GMT -6
^Which is exactly why they will fail IMO. The line will be suspended within 2 years. You can hold me to that call lol As I have said before, trying to be too much like Figuarts will be their downfall (they actually scale better to Figuarts than any DB line of figures out there). But considering their scale is close to Figuarts, have similar articulation/sculpts, and even have similar packaging....Figuarts will still run them into the ground, and no, the price difference won't be enough to keep it running because $25 is still too much for little kids who want mom to buy them a new figure at Toys R Us. My mom did it for me, but they were $8. This series has NO chance to survive, UNLESS they make characters not currently in the Figuarts line. Even then, they are behind and time is short. 3 figures per series won't cut it.
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Post by Majin Tomato on Jan 3, 2018 17:05:08 GMT -6
Again... It's not trying to be figuarts, it's trying to be Marvel Legends, which are also $25 a figure. 6 figures sharing a BAF, 6 inch scale, decent articulation but not super high end... Heck the packaging even looks like a current Marvel Legends figure. It's why the line is a smidge big for figuarts: ML are slightly bigger.
That having been said, it'll ride the wave of super hype in the US, and die as that dies down, and you're right that it'll be lucky to run two years. And I'm ok with that... It gives people a Super focused line which will in turn allow Figuarts to focus on other eras and not feel obligated to use every other slot on Super for brand cohesion. And I can get characters like Hit and Zamasu that I want, but not enough to spend $70 on figuarts.
Honestly the worst thing I can say is... WTF why are the heads not ball jointed. It's absurd.
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Post by Adrenaline on Jan 3, 2018 21:41:25 GMT -6
But it IS trying to be Figuarts.....it's like Figuarts-Lite. It may be following a structure to Marvel Legends, but that doesn't mean collectors of these will buy the Marvel Legends figures, too, just because they're similar. Again, kids just getting into Super are going to have a hard time convincing mom to spend $25 on 1 figure. And with only 3 per set, the options are still limited considering how many new characters there are. You know what would give them a chance? If they made only new characters. The 1st set should have been the Universe 6 arc, and gave us Hit, Cabba, and Frost right off the bat. Safe to say the SSGoku and Vegeta aren't flying off shelves. I think we can agree there.
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Post by Majin Tomato on Jan 4, 2018 8:55:56 GMT -6
Except you need a heavy hitter in every wave (Goku, Gohan, Vegeta) for the kids. And to your argument about price for moms... again, EVERY TOY LINE right now is $25. Marvel Legends, DC Multiverse, Power Rangers Legacy, Star Wars Black... and all selling well enough to sell wave after wave of toys to collectors and children. Moms don't have much of a choice in that regard... it's either spend $25 on Goku, or spend it on another Spider-Man. It's a problem with the industry as a whole, not this line specifically.
(And for the record, 3.75" figures sell for ~$15. That's the toy market right now, it's all absurd.)
I will agree that they should have diversified a bit more in waves 1 and 2 (which, frankly, all 6 should just be called "wave 1". When you have a BAF across 6 figures, it's a six figure wave). You want to have heavy hitters Goku and Vegeta in the wave, sure, but save variants of those characters for later waves to promote those down the line.
Again, I am not AT ALL saying this line is not without it's problems... I wish it well, so hopefully it can exist to fill some gaps... but I've started to see what the line is trying to do, and it's doing well enough.
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Post by Adrenaline on Jan 4, 2018 10:42:56 GMT -6
Considering the influx of Gokus and Vegetas from all various lines, I wouldn't call them heavy hitters in these first two waves. MAYBE if they released them as SS God or SS Blue, then yes, but every time I see these figures, it's just tons of Gokus and Vegetas. Normal form and regular SS don't sell like they used to. Safe to say Beerus is the catch from those waves. As for Freeza, he'd sell better if he was Golden. No? As for the price range, $25 is still too much for a kid's figure. I think the moms are probably going with option C, which is "NO" lol As for the other lines (Marvel, DC, Power Rangers, Star Wars) do they have the variety of figures out right now like Dragonball has? You probably know more about them, but if I were a betting man, I'd say no. Dragonball has a pretty extensive array of figures and statues out now, and in various scales (except the beloved 5 inch )
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Post by Majin Tomato on Jan 4, 2018 11:33:02 GMT -6
Given Marvel-Mania... Yeah, they do. Maybe not AS prolifically, but guys like spider-man have been in multiple lines in multiple scales(4 in, 6 in, 7 in, 9 in, 12 in), including multiple 5 inch lines. And yet, people still buy him... I know several people who want to see the current Marvel Legends buck see as many costumes as possible (heck, I am one).
As for this line... on the one hand, you're right, we're ALL sick of Goku figures everywhere. But let's be honest, a Dragonball line without him is not worth the title, regardless if there's another line in the same scale.
They absolutely got the mix wrong though. For the full wave 1 (I decided this morning that I refuse to dignify the 3 figure wave nonsense. They're on the packaging as a single 6 figure wave) I'd have done just ssj Goku and Vegeta. Those are the iconic and most marketable forms, as is Freeza's white form. Were it me, I'd use the normal forms to fill out later waves with cheaper buck figures. Fill out wave 1 with Ultimate Gohan (who just needs a head to reuse Goku's buck and would be just as cheap to make) and another series mainstay, or someone appropriate to the first few arcs of Super.
That said, wave 2 works fine. It'll hit about when we're knee deep into the Goku Black arc, and covers that arc well enough. Kinda sucks that Hit is really the only U6 tournament character to show up(technically Vegeta and Goku too, but... No.) But the rest of the iconic U6 characters could easily come with the Tournament of power waves, whereas the reverse would not be true.
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Post by Adrenaline on Jan 4, 2018 12:47:16 GMT -6
Well, I did suggest that if Goku and Vegeta were SS Blue in waves 1 and 2, then they'd be selling better. A normal Vegeta is just pointless when there are so many new characters to make. BUT, I would have skipped the movie arcs (especially since Figuarts made Beerus, Whis, and Golden Freeza already) and instead, I'd have began with universe 6 in waves 1 and 2, especially since they were airing dubbed.
Could have gotten Champa, Hit, Cabba, Frost, Botamo, and Vados in waves 1 and 2, with Magetta as the build-a-figure across both waves. (We didn't need Shenron, and Magetta would be such a cool figure to build. Botamo would only sell to complete the team.) Not only would Figuart collectors buy these, but those that can't spend $60-70 on one figure would collect them as well, if mommy gives the a-ok.
Then waves 3 and 4 could have featured SS Blue Goku, SS Blue Vegeta, SS2 Trunks, Zamasu, SS Rose Black-Goku, and SS Blue Vegito, with Merged-Zamasu as the build-a-figure.
I just feel that would have been such a better start.
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Post by Majin Tomato on Jan 4, 2018 13:38:47 GMT -6
Concessions do have to be made to cheapness though, like it or not. Using the same body buck for multiple figures is standard practice for keeping costs down, so having so many whole new molds in wave 1 would have been a mistake financially, especially for a line that by your own admission wasn't guaranteed to sell. Doing wildly differing characters like Botamo right out of the gate would have been a mistake, as cool as it would have been.
As it stands, wave 1 was trying to be "safe" to the point that it risked joining the awful Kai line from awhile back. Even a SSJ God Goku on the incorrect regular buck would have been more interesting and appropriate to match with Beerus. But if wave 2 is a sign of things to come (each wave having 4 good characters to go along with a Goku and Vegeta pair) I don't mind cherry picking from this line from now on.
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Post by Adrenaline on Jan 4, 2018 19:22:08 GMT -6
Like it or not, cheapness will get you burned. Jakks recycled body parts and look at what happened to them. It's fine to do that here and there, but if you overdo it, then that's a BAD move. Jakks didn't give a crap when they gave Tien, Broly, Bojack, and Goku literally the same body on multiple occasions. And we noticed it, then the line fell apart. They even began re-releasing Irwin sculpts.
The way I see it, coming out with brand-new sculpts in the first set is not a bad financial decision. To me, it's an investment. In fact, the first wave WAS technically all new sculpts (of course they re-used some in wave 2) But while new sculpts are a risk I admit, they are an investment that tells buyers that they actually give a damn about their products.
The Irwin main articulated line didn't recycle anyone until they re-released Goku in their Series 7 line from the original Series 4 one. Every figure to that point was an entirely new sculpt. They went on to make 65+ figures in 12 series, and only recycled that 1 figure to my knowledge. I think that's a proven good move.
There's no point in saving a buck by re-using the same bodies if it's just going to lead to a suspension of the line.
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Post by Majin Tomato on Jan 4, 2018 21:13:02 GMT -6
*shrug* Not saying that I agree with it, but I am saying it's all basically standard practice for mass market action figures in 2018. I collect Marvel Legends and cherry pick the DC Multiverse line, both of which have been doing all this stuff for a decade or so (though the ~$25 price tag is a fairly recent and unwelcome price creep... they were $20 like a year ago)
On a completely unrelated note... I'm working on a Cooler custom using the slightly oversized Freeza... and I'm looking at the comparison shots, and noticing that Dragon Stars Vegeta is the same height as Figuarts Goku. Hmmm... raises some custom possibilities.
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Post by Adrenaline on Jan 5, 2018 7:51:24 GMT -6
I get it, but the standard practice of "playing it safe" still has its own risks. I'd rather take the risk of creating some badass sculpts that no one else would make, and either flourishing or failing as a result. I mean, come on, a Magetta figure would be so freakin cool.
As for the Dragon Stars Vegeta, it's the worst one of the entire set, and might look better with a neck and a Trunks head, since Trunks' physique is probably more similar to Vegeta than Goku.
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Post by Majin Tomato on Jan 5, 2018 9:03:38 GMT -6
I was more thinking a certain father figure, since one of my biggest issues with a lot of customs based on figuarts Trunks is that he's still kinda short and or takes a ton of work to grow out (works for my Gohan custom, not for Goku/Bardock). As for the neck... again, advantage of owning one and currently tearing it apart... the way they designed the necks of these things is kinda ridiculous. it may LOOK short because of how low the head sits, but if Freeza's neck is anything to go by, that neck joint likely goes all the way up to Vegeta's eyeballs.
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Post by Ascat on Jan 8, 2018 12:52:08 GMT -6
So i got this guy 10.50 with free shipping. Thing i just realized: every single one of them are off scale or has their own scale. Frieza is huge, his head is massive. vegeta got long legs which makes him a lot taller. Goku looks very close to figuarts scale. and beerus is tiny even for figuarts standard. Oh well if i do get more, ill use them as punching bags for the figuarts line lol
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Post by Ascat on Jan 8, 2018 12:53:18 GMT -6
Ps credit to them though for trying to keep up with details. the details are not half bad. this frieza for example has better details than the figurise one.
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Post by Adrenaline on Jan 8, 2018 16:33:11 GMT -6
I won't complain at that price lol
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