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Post by starfirebarrage on Oct 22, 2018 17:15:43 GMT -6
I've got another little question... With Figuarts Saiyaman coming out, I'm giving some thought to a potential Videl Saiyaman II/Saiyawoman custom to pair him with ( Movie 13, anyone?), but the problem, as you might expect, is the head, or more specifically, the helmet... As far as I can tell, the *only* figure to have come out with a head/helmet that might scale with Figuarts is the AB Group/AB Toys/Kids Biz "The Legend is Here" Super Guerriers figure. I have no problem whatsoever doing the custom work necessary to get that figure in working order to work with a Figuarts (or similar) body, but the problem is that I've only been able to find one place selling the thing, and it's an eBay auction that won't ship to the US. Is there, by any luck, maybe some gashapon or keychain that might work, that I'm overlooking...? Here's the auction, just for the record: www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-Bundle-of-1989-Dragonball-Z-The-Legend-is-Here-Kidz-Biz-Figures-Anime/153098504949
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Post by Majin Tomato on Oct 23, 2018 14:11:44 GMT -6
From what I can tell, that head could work... But it's actually a bit oversized imho. That said, I personally tend to favor 3d printed heads for my figuarts customs (the xenoverse models work decently and there's a huge modding community that makes ripping models easy enough). I can do it myself if you'd like, just know that it might be a few days before I have the time. Only issue with doing it that way would be finding a way to do the visor, but you'd have that issue with the ab figure as well.
That said, I will say that you might have a bit more work than you think depending on how you want it to look. Speaking as someone who JUST finished a Buu Saya Bulma, pliable skirts are hard. That said, you can probably get an extra Gohan and steal his, just know paint won't usually cover very well.
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Post by Branjita on Oct 23, 2018 16:18:04 GMT -6
I don't think an old AB Great Saiyman II Videl head will look very good on a figuarts body. The twenty year old head won't be up to par with the sculpting on Figuarts stuff. The figure itself, as a stand in, should be fairly good though. The head is likely slightly large. saiyen hardly ever gets on here anymore, but he lives in France and sells AB figures on ebay. Here's his facebook. And his ebay. He has multiples of every character. I don't make Figuarts customs, so I don't really have head advice for making her. But it might be cheaper to buy a WCF Videl figure and just sculpt a helmet. I know that WCF Videl is in some other "6pcs" bootleg set that I didn't link to the other day.
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Post by starfirebarrage on Oct 23, 2018 18:34:19 GMT -6
Well, the helmet is exactly what I think I would have too much trouble sculpting, especially if I didn't want it to look absolutely horrendous next to Gohan's. I can sculpt pretty well, but I just wouldn't want my talents being so directly compared to the official model when it comes to such a mechanical, symmetrical piece like a perfectly round helmet with details. I actually do have a decent enough plan in mind for the skirt, though I hate to have to use only one piece of the figure with no plan for the rest... but the skirt from one of the Whis gi Gokus from Dragon Stars would be perfect for her, judging from the Goku Black skirt I'm using for another custom. Majin Tomato, that's really nice of you to offer a 3D print... Hm, is your Kid Goku head from your prints and customs thread based on a Xenoverse model? If the ripped models look that nice... I might actually want to take you up on that... How much would you want for that? As for the visor question, with the AB head I was planning to simply keep it with no visor, unless the eyes looked really bad with a new coat of paint (since Figuarts don't really have sculpted in eye details like these older figures do), in which case I was going to settle for sculpting over it with a solid-colored visor similar to Gohan's helmet. But in the case of a 3D print, I'd prefer no visor. It gives an impression like her helmet might have a button on it to flip the visor up and down or something and she simply has it up for a more approachable and friendly look-- but more importantly, unlike Gohan's helmet, when Videl's huge full-face plate visor is a solid color and her face isn't visible (like this figure), it gives the impression of something like a riot police officer or a soldier. While not particularly intimidating, it doesn't communicate the cute, friendly hero that Videl is as Saiyaman, with her heart crest and softened pastel version of Gohan's color scheme. So if it's something that's within your control with a print, simply having no visor would be best.
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Post by Majin Tomato on Oct 23, 2018 22:59:48 GMT -6
Tarble, Goten, and Bulma all have 3d printed heads, as will Trunks when I get it printed. www.shapeways.com/product/NBHTXLNW4/videlI haven't made it available for purchase yet, but here's a test upload of the head I put together. I'm still working on it, and there's a bit that'd need to be done for best results, but it should give you an idea of the look I'm going for and an approximate price range. That said, you will likely have to add the antenna yourself. I could have left them as they were on the model, but I can say from experience that even with high detail plastic, they wouldn't survive shipping. I left the nub on the helmet where they'd attach, I'd recommend using wire and gluing it down, then just sculpting the ends.
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Post by starfirebarrage on Oct 24, 2018 18:14:43 GMT -6
Ack, Goten, not kid Goku, my bad. I wasn't able to find a pic of Trunks, either, but I didn't realize the Bulma was printed! That actually gives a really good sense for the quality. To be honest the Tarble head print came out a bit rough for my standards (I have a little bit of experience with 3D printing, my brother has a printer and I swear he's Garrus from Mass Effect sometimes with his literally constant, obsessive "CALIBRATIONS"), but the Videl render looks much more smooth in the face, especially if the painted Bulma is any indication. The antennae aren't a concern at all, I was gonna have to replace them on the AB one anyway so I was thinking about my own solution to that already. My only concern is the roundness of the helmet itself, do you know if the material Shapeways prints with can be sanded?
As a total aside... How did you do your Bulma's face? Is it hand painted, or a decal? It looks excellent.
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Post by Majin Tomato on Oct 25, 2018 13:45:54 GMT -6
So I meant to reply last night, but apparently I never hit send. Whoops.
Tarble was done using a fan model and despite my best efforts it was... Not really great. I may redo it at some point, especially if I can get my hands on the raging blast model. Trunks I haven't posted pics of because I wasn't happy with his head so I redid it. Bulma is hand painted, with detail work using a fine tip sharpie.
As for the material, you can absolutely sand and work with it, though it comes pretty smooth. Bulma was painted as is, and any roughness there is a result of the model. I'm taking my time smoothing out video, it's just a bit of a tedious process.
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Post by Branjita on Oct 25, 2018 15:13:52 GMT -6
I have one of these for my sanding duties. It's worth its weight in gold. Some sellers even sell a kit of extra bits for it, which I highly recommend, as the bits it comes with are a little large. I also recommend you buy an extension cord from Walmart or somewhere, because the cord isn't very long. Also, make sure you're buying one with a US plug. I didn't bother to read the ad or anything, I just selected the first one like mine that showed up in the search. I find it much more useful than my dremel, because it weighs maybe 1/10th the amount and I don't have to wear gloves for fear I'm going to cut or grind a finger off.
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Post by starfirebarrage on Oct 25, 2018 17:06:04 GMT -6
Good tip! I tend to just use hand tools for sanding, but this could come in handy. Thanks!
That's actually really good to hear Tomato! It sounds like the Videl will probably end up matching up to the real deal Gohan perfectly fine as long as I can hold up the painting on my end lol. I'm totally sold on this. Thank you so much for putting in this effort!
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Post by Branjita on Oct 26, 2018 11:37:31 GMT -6
Believe me, you'll never use hand tools for sanding figures ever again. For such a small investment, that tool makes a major difference to customizing.
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Post by Majin Tomato on Oct 26, 2018 22:09:04 GMT -6
www.shapeways.com/product/NBHTXLNW4/videl So the image may not reflect this yet, but I took the liberty of adding in an additional piece I was going to suggest earlier. I might already have mentioned this, but the fine detail plastic is mostly translucent... it has a slight yellow-ish cast in person, but I've had success painting it with clear paints before, and it'd probably work decently well if you want to make a removable visor. Also, I'm uploading one last tweek in a moment, but after that I'm going to make it available for purchase.
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Post by starfirebarrage on Oct 26, 2018 23:32:44 GMT -6
Yo! This thing is gonna kick ass! I'm so excited now. Thank you for putting in so much effort on this! For... basically no reason other than being very kind! Which seems to be a common trait among folks on this forum, and I'm super glad I joined. I hope at some point, once I get better at this hobby (I'm much more experienced with customizing miniatures, poseable figures are so very new to me...), I can start being as helpful to others as you guys have been to me.
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Post by starfirebarrage on Oct 28, 2018 4:04:45 GMT -6
So... I have another question... unrelated to any other ones (it must seem like I have a million projects going at once... and that's because I do). I have an Irwin Kibito that I'm trying to make stand significantly larger. I've already cut and lengthened his legs, and I've also replaced his head with the WCF one, which, aside from more detailed, is smaller, and so it does proportionately help make him look bigger, which is what I'm going for. It bothers me how very small this guy is, when he's supposed to tower over even our taller characters like Piccolo. The taller legs have helped, but I think he needs more, but I have very little experience working with the Irwin figures.
What I'm thinking is that I might want to pop his upper torso off his lower legs, and do some sculpting to make his torso bigger.
However, the boil and pop method didn't work at all with him... I think the plastic used on his body is much harder and less malleable than the slightly more rubbery joints that are more typical, and this thing would not budge at all. What can I do? Is there something I'm missing?
Worst case scenario, I may end up sawing him apart, because I figure that Kibito is not a character who needs to be particularly poseable... In fact, the poses of his hands really bothered me, and I've been cutting them down in preparation to resculpt them to better sit folded behind his back. He doesn't need to be flailing his arms about wildly! The man barely uses his hands! In fact I have this wild fringe theory that Kibito doesn't even have hands, and that's why he's always got them behind his back...
(Sorry to be coming to you folks for so many questions and offering so little myself... when I'm less busy, I want to at least take some pictures of what I've been up to, to at least share the experience.)
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Post by Majin Tomato on Oct 28, 2018 10:27:02 GMT -6
So I would need this to be verified by someone on here who has actually customized Irwin figures in particular, but from a general customizing standpoint sounds like the best option might be to "crack" or "pop" the torso. Figures, particularly older ones, have torsos that are usually two pieces held together by internal pegs that have been glued in place. The idea with cracking is to get a screwdriver in between the two halves, and use it as a wedge to pop the two halves apart. That said, looking at the figure and based on your description, I think the biggest issue might be if the entire torso is made of a softer plastic, rather than just the robe being soft but having a hard plastic underneath. The idea with cracking a torso is that its usually made of a stronger plastic to survive heavy play. As such, the glue will usually tear before the plastic (and worst case the pressure will just tear off the internal pegs which no one will see anyway.) If it's softer plastic, I'd be concerned that it might warp and stretch instead of cracking open, so be careful. www.figurerealm.com/customtutorial?action=view&id=71 -this tutorial might be the best fit, what with the segmented torso. You can also separate the hip piece the same way.
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Post by starfirebarrage on Oct 28, 2018 15:30:40 GMT -6
Looking under the skirt, it does appear that both the torso and waist are the same hard plastic (the waist is the same sort of sparkly burgundy color), and the skirt/robe is merely worn over the waist, and I think that's exactly why I couldn't get the waist to soften and pop out of the torso. I'll definitely give this a shot, thanks!
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