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Post by thessj4dude on Jul 22, 2018 10:26:41 GMT -6
If it's just the hair I have to paint, I apply nail polish in very thin coats till it becomes opaque. To those of you who say nail polish chips, in my experience it doesn't chip. I do not recommend cheap acrylic paint as it will chip. I'll do a test of nail polish on the joints soon and see if can hold up to joint friction
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Post by Branjita on Jul 23, 2018 8:59:22 GMT -6
Nail polish and other enamel oil-based paints (like Testors model car paint) can have a problem drying on figures. I've never managed to find a scientific answer as to why, but I personally believe it has something to do with a chemical reaction to the existing paint on the figure and/or the material the part is made of. If you're having good luck with nail polish drying on your figures, then it seems fine to use that same type of material again. It's a bit risky to test it though, because it won't necessarily work on everything. thessj4dude what specifically have you painted with success? It'd be a great help to people to know what specific figures you've painted successfully with nail polish and had it dry without being sticky! I did some research on this issue again. Testors (a model paint manufacturer who primarily makes enamel paints for car model kits) says that their enamel paint "is not recommended rubber or flexible types of vinyl because it will not dry on these surfaces; it will remain tacky to the touch. It will not adhere to polyethylene or polypropylene." To my knowledge, polypropylene is used on things that are not meant to be painted, like some plastic chairs, reusable water bottles, and lids of things that flip open and are meant to open and close tons of times without breaking. And then polyethylene is mostly used for producing plastic bottles and bags, because it is (or can be) clear. It's also used for swimming pool fun noodles. I looked up what types of plastics are mostly used for toys/action figures. PVC (soft, rubbery plastic), Vinyl (often hollow and somewhat flexible), ABS (mostly hard plastic that can't be painted without primer), PP (Polypropylene, really durable, pretty stiff plastic), and POM (Polyoxymethylene, a very, very hard plastic that can be used for action figure joints sometimes because it can be very, very smooth). Some info from here: radiantdreamer.net/differences-in-plastics-abs-pvc-vinyl-resin-polystone-oh-my/. As far as I know, nearly every single Irwin and Jakks Pacific DBZ figure has an ABS or POM torso and PVC arms, legs, and head. I could be wrong, but I believe that is true. I don't know what the joints are made from... like on the super hard plastic ball jointed shoulders of many Irwin figures for example. Via: figurefixer.blogspot.com/p/more-about-adhesives-glue.htmlI little bit more research revealed that when enamel paint remains tacky, it can be because it wasn't thoroughly mixed and/or it wasn't at some point, and "the hardner has seperated out of the carrier." So if it wasn't mixed well at some point and you painted something, you might have painted with waaaay more than your fair share of carrier or hardener and thus messed up the ratio. More research said "Do NOT use enamel paints. They will leave your figure tacky as the chemical reaction dissolves the soft plastic over time releasing toxic fumes. You can use enamels in hard plastic (transformers in most cases) but they take a very long time to dry. Krylon Fusion takes seven days to cure to full hardness and Testors Enamels at least five. Never use them on Marvel Legends or anything with soft plastic parts. I use Testors Model Master Acryl, Tamiya spray Lacquers, and Formula P3 by Privateer press." via www.angelfire.com/mech/jinsaotome/PaintingTips.htmlOverall, in my experiences, it's better for me to just stick with acrylic paint. On joints, I coat the joint with super glue, let it dry, then paint it, let it dry, then coat it with super glue again. I've had success with that. It takes a long time to dry super glue though. I also carve out the joints (and sometimes dremel out extra material), to make room for the layer of paint, to help avoid a tight joint from scraping the paint off. Also, it always helps to wash what you're painting with Dawn or Ivory liquid soap to wash off the factory oil that companies use to coat figures with, before you start painting.
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Post by thessj4dude on Jul 29, 2018 23:07:59 GMT -6
Nail polish and other enamel oil-based paints (like Testors model car paint) can have a problem drying on figures. I've never managed to find a scientific answer as to why, but I personally believe it has something to do with a chemical reaction to the existing paint on the figure and/or the material the part is made of. If you're having good luck with nail polish drying on your figures, then it seems fine to use that same type of material again. It's a bit risky to test it though, because it won't necessarily work on everything. thessj4dude what specifically have you painted with success? It'd be a great help to people to know what specific figures you've painted successfully with nail polish and had it dry without being sticky! I did some research on this issue again. Testors (a model paint manufacturer who primarily makes enamel paints for car model kits) says that their enamel paint "is not recommended rubber or flexible types of vinyl because it will not dry on these surfaces; it will remain tacky to the touch. It will not adhere to polyethylene or polypropylene." To my knowledge, polypropylene is used on things that are not meant to be painted, like some plastic chairs, reusable water bottles, and lids of things that flip open and are meant to open and close tons of times without breaking. And then polyethylene is mostly used for producing plastic bottles and bags, because it is (or can be) clear. It's also used for swimming pool fun noodles. I looked up what types of plastics are mostly used for toys/action figures. PVC (soft, rubbery plastic), Vinyl (often hollow and somewhat flexible), ABS (mostly hard plastic that can't be painted without primer), PP (Polypropylene, really durable, pretty stiff plastic), and POM (Polyoxymethylene, a very, very hard plastic that can be used for action figure joints sometimes because it can be very, very smooth). Some info from here: radiantdreamer.net/differences-in-plastics-abs-pvc-vinyl-resin-polystone-oh-my/. As far as I know, nearly every single Irwin and Jakks Pacific DBZ figure has an ABS or POM torso and PVC arms, legs, and head. I could be wrong, but I believe that is true. I don't know what the joints are made from... like on the super hard plastic ball jointed shoulders of many Irwin figures for example. Via: figurefixer.blogspot.com/p/more-about-adhesives-glue.htmlI little bit more research revealed that when enamel paint remains tacky, it can be because it wasn't thoroughly mixed and/or it wasn't at some point, and "the hardner has seperated out of the carrier." So if it wasn't mixed well at some point and you painted something, you might have painted with waaaay more than your fair share of carrier or hardener and thus messed up the ratio. More research said "Do NOT use enamel paints. They will leave your figure tacky as the chemical reaction dissolves the soft plastic over time releasing toxic fumes. You can use enamels in hard plastic (transformers in most cases) but they take a very long time to dry. Krylon Fusion takes seven days to cure to full hardness and Testors Enamels at least five. Never use them on Marvel Legends or anything with soft plastic parts. I use Testors Model Master Acryl, Tamiya spray Lacquers, and Formula P3 by Privateer press." via www.angelfire.com/mech/jinsaotome/PaintingTips.htmlOverall, in my experiences, it's better for me to just stick with acrylic paint. On joints, I coat the joint with super glue, let it dry, then paint it, let it dry, then coat it with super glue again. I've had success with that. It takes a long time to dry super glue though. I also carve out the joints (and sometimes dremel out extra material), to make room for the layer of paint, to help avoid a tight joint from scraping the paint off. Also, it always helps to wash what you're painting with Dawn or Ivory liquid soap to wash off the factory oil that companies use to coat figures with, before you start painting. I painted the Rosé head for Goku Black figuarts and it worked perfectly. I had pearlescent pink nail polish and thought why not. Fully dried with no problems in 20 minutes. Faces can still be swapped without any issue or chipping.
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Post by starfirebarrage on Oct 15, 2018 15:57:19 GMT -6
I was browsing around an old thread and this custom Namek Gohan by wbalbuena caught my eye. The user doesn't seem to be active anymore, but does anybody know what head was used on this Gohan? I'm really interested and can't figure out what it is. Thanks!
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Post by Branjita on Oct 16, 2018 8:35:37 GMT -6
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Post by starfirebarrage on Oct 16, 2018 10:13:15 GMT -6
Hmm, okay, I see. Thank you! For that matter, however, is there a decent alternative for a Namek Gohan head around that size/scale? What about Namek Bulma? I'm aiming right now to embark on a couple of Namek Saga figures, and heads are a bit of a conundrum right now... it seems all the nice head sculpts of those two in particular seem to be pretty rare.
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Post by ◄VR► on Oct 16, 2018 10:21:36 GMT -6
I use a sofubi kid Gohan. There's a bowl cut and long hair version of him.
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Post by Branjita on Oct 16, 2018 11:14:43 GMT -6
starfirebarrage What are you trying to scale with? Irwin/Jakks 5 inch scale Gohan from that time period is best accomplished with a Chara Puchi or Popy/Plex head. Burger King Gohan is also acceptable for Irwin/Jakks 5 inch scale... it's slightly larger. For Figuarts scale, I would recommend Burger King Gohan. His head is slightly larger, which is good for Figuarts. The CP heads for Namek Saga Gohan are slightly small even for Irwin/Jakks 5 inch scale, so they'd be tiny for Figuarts scale... Finding a Burger King Gohan for a cheap price should be easy. Here's one for $3 plus shipping. He has a deep casting imperfection line on the left side of his face though. You'll want to fill that with some Apoxie Sculpt and then sand it before painting it or the line will show through a bit... but it only matters if you're a perfectionist. www.ebay.com/itm/2000-Loose-Dragon-Ball-Z-Burger-King-3-5-Gohan-Action-Figure-Toy-Play-Fun/323472818040?hash=item4b507b7f78:g:J~EAAOSwdKZZzZbz:rk:15:pf:0It's better than this one that has the casting imperfection all the way across his face though! You can cut the head off that figure without much drama. Just put on some safety glasses and carefully cut it off with an x-acto knife.
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Post by Branjita on Oct 16, 2018 11:16:18 GMT -6
For Namek Saga Bulma, Irwin made one. There's also a bootleg of the WCF Bulma in spacesuit and it is ok. That head is larger and more appropriate for Figuarts scale. There's also a Sofubi Bulma and it is very much Figuarts scale, body and all.
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Post by starfirebarrage on Oct 16, 2018 19:02:23 GMT -6
BK Gohan is an excellent suggestion! Thank you!
(Gosh, I remember those-- some of my first experiences with customs, actually! My brother and I painted the Krillin because our only other Krillin figure was the one with hair from the Buu Saga from an import store because that was the arc currently airing in Japan at the time, but as kids watching the Saiyan Saga, we were totally thrown off and hated it... Good times.)
Yes, I should have specified, I'm trying to scale with Figuarts-- I was trying to judge the size based on the sizes of the other two Gohan figures pictured with wbalbuena's custom so I thought the Gohan head there would work, but I'll definitely defer to your judgment when you say it's too small, and the BK seems way more attainable anyway!
The Sofubi figures are ones I've looked at, but I seem to be completely unable to find a Bulma anywhere... Any idea where I could get my hands on the WCF bootleg? I've found other bootleg lots/sets just fine on AliExpress and ebay but I have not been able to find one with spacesuit Bulma.
I really appreciate your help by the way! I'm so glad I came to this site. Such an excellent resource!
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Post by Branjita on Oct 16, 2018 19:51:01 GMT -6
You're welcome! BK Gohan might even entirely be Figuarts scale... but I have all my figures packed in storage containers right now, so I can't take a comparison pic. I just know he was a bit large for my super perfectionistic 5 inch scale collection, so he's probably good for Figuarts. Technically, I consider the Chara Puchi Gohan head too small, but I didn't want to use the BK Gohan head on the custom I was making at the time, so I just went ahead and used the CP head.
Sofubi Bulma you just have to be patient or lucky. Sometimes she's listed as vinyl Bulma or soft vinyl Bulma. She's popular with Figuarts collectors though, so I'm sure she sells quickly and easily. I have her, and she is definitely Figuarts scale. She's easily $25+.
The DWC (older WCF) bootlegs are hard to find now. Try searching "dragonball pcs" on ebay and look in the $10.99 to $21.99 price range. Typical used to be $16. That's how I find my bootleg sets of WCF and DWC. The problem is, you're at least 5 years late trying to get most of the DWC bootlegs. The only set I regularly see still is the one that has DB episode 1 Bulma in it. If I remember right, Ox King is in the same set as Bulma in spacesuit, so he's easy to spot when browsing pics on ebay. I've never bought anything off AliExpress, so I can't really help there.
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Post by starfirebarrage on Oct 16, 2018 20:11:48 GMT -6
Yeah, I google Sofubi and Sofvi when looking for her, but haven't had any luck. I guess I just gotta keep looking regularly if I want that one... Good tip about DWC though, I have actually only been searching "wcf", not "dwc" or "pcs" so that would be a good idea to add into my searches. And yeah, I managed to nab the DB pink dress Bulma set with Tao Pai Pai and such, but that's the only early one I've ever found. It's really frustrating. I HAVE seen the spacesuit Bulma on ebay but she's seriously upwards of $140. Jeepers frickin' creepers. So frustrating...
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Post by Branjita on Oct 17, 2018 10:00:40 GMT -6
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Post by Branjita on Oct 17, 2018 10:28:38 GMT -6
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Post by starfirebarrage on Oct 17, 2018 17:21:00 GMT -6
Hey woah! Excellent find! I'm gonna jump on that right away. Even if the quality ends up bad, it's a great starting point to sculpt off of. Thanks!
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