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Post by angelo2113 on Aug 23, 2016 16:46:59 GMT -6
It's not really a few scenes. Gohan turned Saiyan-I in the HTC. So up to that point he wasn't Saiyan one. They should have included both just like they did with Trunks. Part of the reason i like that figure more is because of the fact that it's simply more dynamic due to the fact that it can be posed in more ways. And it's probably why I have two, with one that remains unopened, so it probably would have benefited Tamashi them in terms of increased sales figures. And plus, I don't see why you as a consumer would look at this through the lens of a corporation. As in "I don't see why it would benefit this corporation's overhead costs of production." Well no, in terms of immediate and short-term production costs it probably would've cost a little more, but I would've gladly paid $10 more for a base head, so that in turns translates to higher profits as well. Either way you want to look at it -- they should step it up.  Gohan's hair was long when he first transformed into a Super Saiyan and had it cut in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber. The only time that Gohan was in his normal form, while in the attire that Piccolo gave him, was after he defeated Cell at Kami's Lookout. Why wouldn't I look at it through the lens of the producer? They're the ones who make the decisions. There's reasoning behind those decisions. The normal head accessory would have been unnecessary. The Super Saiyan head is inaccurate for this specific battle damaged design but it gives the consumer an opportunity to have Super Saiyan Gohan which is a lot more relevant S.H. Figuarts product than a normal Gohan. |
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Post by ikkiphoenix on Aug 23, 2016 16:57:07 GMT -6
Well, there is little point in discussing it any further if you view the normal head accessory as being unnecessary. Even if it was only for a few scenes. Every character in every saga should've included Saiyan and normal head pieces in at least one figure. These figures aren't very cheap to begin with, whats an extra few dollars. And as eddieranger alluded, either way, they could make better choices regarding the existing accessories, thus shifting resources around to make a more complete and dynamic figure set within the existing production allowance.
But I rest my case. At the end of the day it's just a cash grab, because it gives them the opportunity to sell a multitude of variants for each character. It has little to do with production costs, in reality.
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Post by eddieranger on Aug 23, 2016 17:03:45 GMT -6
The only reason I make a big fuss about this is because they're not gonna release it as a stand alone figure. It's different with Vegeta, because they will most likely make a Frieza Saga Vegeta, so we'll get that base head/figure eventually. This was really the only opportunity to have that included, and they screwed it up. Oh well.
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Post by ikkiphoenix on Aug 23, 2016 17:06:16 GMT -6
Well. the Frieza saga Vegeta is the scouter Vegeta. Do you mean a re-issue of that figure? We could certainly hope so  |
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Post by angelo2113 on Aug 23, 2016 17:07:13 GMT -6
Well, there is little point in discussing it any further if you view the normal head accessory as being unnecessary. Even if it was only for a few scenes. Every character in every saga should've included Saiyan and normal head pieces. These figures aren't very cheap to begin with, whats an extra few dollars. And as eddieranger alluded, either way, they could make better choices regarding the existing accessories, thus shifting resources around to make a more complete and dynamic figure set within the existing production allowance. No, they shouldn't. Tamashii Nations is a business. They don't want a potential 5 - 10 year profitable line to be reduced only to make a few extra dollars. |
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Post by angelo2113 on Aug 23, 2016 17:14:01 GMT -6
The only reason I make a big fuss about this is because they're not gonna release it as a stand alone figure. It's different with Vegeta, because they will most likely make a Frieza Saga Vegeta, so we'll get that base head/figure eventually. This was really the only opportunity to have that included, and they screwed it up. Oh well. Tamashii Nations will possibly design movie territory products if they believe collectors will purchase them. If you really want a normal based Gohan, let Tamashii Nations know on Social Media that you would like to see a Bojack Unbound Gohan. |
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Post by ikkiphoenix on Aug 23, 2016 17:25:04 GMT -6
How would the line be reduced? Take Trunks as an example. Super Saiyan Trunk's popularity was not diminished in any way by RR or PC Trunks.
Edit: Oh wait, Super Saiyan Trunks also came with both SS and base hair, I forgot. But still, the point remains true, I still don't see how said figures would "reduce" the line in any way. To the contrary, if anything, having a more complete figure set transaltes to higher quality, which translates to a richer, more dynamic, and timeless line of figures.
I consider the quality of the Trunks figures to be among the best due partly to the fact that they come with both Saiyan and non-Saiyan head pieces.
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Post by Wave on Aug 23, 2016 17:43:46 GMT -6
They probably just thought that for action poses, the base form head is not as dynamic as the SS1 head.
Either way I think the figure looks great.
While I do actually kind of like the bloodless battle damage, I realize that for Gohan it's a bit strange not to include it. His battle damage is quite distinctive - the trail of blood from his mouth and the bruise/scrape on his forehead. Without it it doesn't quite seem the same. On Awakening Goku, this didn't matter so much, since for me at least Goku doesn't have any "signature" marks. Just cuts and scrapes all over, not in any particular style.
But at the same time, no blood gives the figure a kind of "perfect" appearance. I don't know how to describe it. The Figuarts have always had simple and clean appearances, which matches the anime style. I guess they are reluctant to dirty the appearance.
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Post by antzcorton on Aug 23, 2016 18:09:36 GMT -6
The super saiyan head isn't unnecessary for a lot of people. Gohan fought with either the SS or SS2 transformation during the entirety of his spotlight. People want a Gohan figure who has both transformation heads to represent that and Tamashii Nations is aware that including both transformations makes the most sense.
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Post by angelo2113 on Aug 23, 2016 18:18:09 GMT -6
How would the line be reduced? Take Trunks as an example. Super Saiyan Trunk's popularity was not diminished in any way by RR or PC Trunks. Edit: Oh wait, Super Saiyan Trunks also came with both SS and base hair, I forgot. But still, the point remains true, I still don't see how said figures would "reduce" the line in any way. To the contrary, if anything, having a more complete figure set transaltes to higher quality, which translates to a richer, more dynamic, and timeless line of figures. I consider the quality of the Trunks figures to be among the best due partly to the fact that they come with both Saiyan and non-Saiyan head pieces. If every Saiyan release included multiple heads, that would result in fewer releases. Fewer releases would result in reduced potential profit and a shorter lifeline for Tamashii Nations. Take Goku from Buu Saga for example. If Tamashii Nations released one Buu Saga Goku figure that included a normal head and all three Super Saiyan heads, they would have lost out on 4 potential individual releases. Super Saiyan Trunks is a great release but Tamashii Nations also has the opportunity to release another one with two different head sculpts. |
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Post by ikkiphoenix on Aug 23, 2016 18:32:53 GMT -6
Oh absolutely. I stated that from the very beginning. It's an opportunity for them to release a multitude of variants for each character thus maximizing profits. It doesn't take a genius to see that. But I didn't mean to imply that every character should come with both SS and non-SS head pieces. Nor come with all the SS variations in one set. But at least one figure of every Saiyan character should come with SS-1 and non-SS. In the case of RR Gohan, Bandai could have done a non-SS and SS-1. And then for the Cell-saga release, a SS-2 with the battle-torned outfit. but either way they dropped the ball, cause they didn't release a Frieza-saga Gohan or a pre-Cell Android-saga one (with the longer hair.)
So even by looking at it that way, you can see that there's a lot of missed opportunities. And it has nothing to do with demand, becasue the demand is there. It's just a lack of vision and understanding of the market. For instance, just look at how popular the Cell figures are. How is that they did not release Cell in all its forms? I would've certainly purchased an imperfect Cell.
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Post by eddieranger on Aug 23, 2016 18:34:36 GMT -6
The only reason I make a big fuss about this is because they're not gonna release it as a stand alone figure. It's different with Vegeta, because they will most likely make a Frieza Saga Vegeta, so we'll get that base head/figure eventually. This was really the only opportunity to have that included, and they screwed it up. Oh well. Tamashii Nations will possibly design movie territory products if they believe collectors will purchase them. If you really want a normal based Gohan, let Tamashii Nations know on Social Media that you would like to see a Bojack Unbound Gohan. I definitely don't want Bojack Unbound Gohan. Sick of Goku's gi. So many other Gohan's to make. |
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Post by eddieranger on Aug 23, 2016 18:35:43 GMT -6
Well. the Frieza saga Vegeta is the scouter Vegeta. Do you mean a re-issue of that figure? We could certainly hope so That's the Saiyan Saga Vegeta. This is what I'm hoping for  |
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Post by ikkiphoenix on Aug 23, 2016 18:43:55 GMT -6
Ah. yeah. I bet that would've sold like crazy considering how much Vegetas were going for pre-SS Vegeta. And also considering how popular scouter Vegeta is. I hate to say it, but... missed opportunity. Ideally though, as we alluded earlier, it would've been lovely to see a Saiyan-saga Vegeta with the non-SS and SS-1 head pieces like the Trunks. That would've made a really great figure. But I would be content with a re-issue of the scouter Vegeta, since you could just use that head piece:  I'm really hoping that they re-issue No. 18, No. 17, frieza-saga Vegeta, and Krillin. |
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Post by axelrules on Aug 23, 2016 20:26:42 GMT -6
damn im glad I didnt buy sdcc gohan, I was just saving up for that, oh my lawd. I want a android 17 and 18 reissue tho. that and krillin pc
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